Episode 21 – The Golden Age of America’s Pedals

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0:08 Welcome to the Pedal Collaborative podcast. We're so glad you're here. 0:21 Hey, everybody, welcome back. Happy 2025. 0:24 It is Paul and Alan. We are back with the podcast. 0:27 How's it going? Hey everybody. 0:29 Yeah, man, I can't believe it's 2025. And honestly, like in a few days from recording, it will be February of 2025 and I still think it's 0:40 2024. Yeah, I've done quite a few things where I say because I I'll say like in the year 2024, it's crazy 0:47 to be doing this, which is a sentence I say a lot. And it's not 2024, it's 2025. 0:53 So it's even crazier to be doing this, whatever that is. It's crazier to be doing. 0:57 Now I know, I know and apologies to everybody who have been waiting so long for a new episode. Paul and I have been I don't know. 1:04 You know, we, we took an intentional break to, to get, to get some rest on, on things because you know what, even fun things you need a break from some from time to time. 1:13 And holidays was a great season for us to take a break. And you know, we've been talking about this since the beginning of this year on wrapping back up or 1:21 jumping back up. And yeah, it just took 27 days to do that. 1:27 Yeah, that is actually I it is. It is crazy. 1:30 It's the end of January. And it was, yeah, it was a really nice break. 1:33 I had a nice time relaxing, getting to not make content all the time, spend time with family, spend time with friends, celebrate the new year. 1:46 It was really nice holiday. Yeah, it was also. 1:49 It's also fun to be getting back at it because I'm starting to get the itch to talk, talk pedals, talk with builders again. 1:56 We got some, we got some episodes that we have queued up. That'll be really cool coming back here. 2:00 We do. So we're excited to to talk with you all again. 2:03 Yeah, but let's, let's not fully think that we, that Paul and I have just been, you know, sitting on our toshi's doing nothing this month. 2:09 It's been a very busy month. You know, something that will touch base in a future episode is, you know, NAMM 2025. 2:17 I just came back from that. Thankfully got to do that as a all expense paid trip from my job, my 9:00 to 5:00. 2:24 So, you know, had some of that going on, but it was really weird. And Paul, I know that that we've been talking about this for a few weeks now. 2:31 I'm just going to jump into what's what's happening out there, what is, has been going on and what people can do to be a part. 2:39 And for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, it's the wildfires in LA, man, I, you know, I, I, I, I've been in LA twice this month and have seen, you know, first hand both, you know, 2:51 the smokes and the fires. My, my first trip, I went out, you know, I flew in at night into Burbank and I flew in and I could 2:58 see like we kind of went over where the Palisades fire was that big 20,000 acre fire and you could see it from the plane and you know all, you know, the, the whole trip, all day during the day, you 3:09 could see smoke, you could smell smoke. It was really windy, you know, so it was kind of, it was kind of creepy. 3:17 It, I mean, what is that? I don't know what the right word is. 3:19 Paul you're you're definitely better at thesaurusy type things, but that that feeling where like something's out of place. 3:28 It was like almost apocalyptic at times, but then at the other other end of it, everyone was just kind of acting like normal if they weren't directly affected by the fires. 3:37 Yeah, I know. I mean, I don't know what word you're looking for, but I do know we talked about a little bit of 3:41 like the band playing with the Titanic ghost down feeling of doing life as usual. And then also there's this like crazy apocalyptic fire happening in the backdrop of everything. 3:52 And I know we all have kind of become familiar with some of those feelings since I think the last few years have had a few disasters, including the pandemic. 4:01 It doesn't get any less weird when you know, 200,000 people plus have been to place from their home, displaced from their homes, and we're just like going about business as usual. 4:12 It's a strange, strange dichotomy of the way the brain has to split out, you know, continuing on while also others are suffering. 4:20 It's a strange, strange feeling. Right. 4:23 And you know, you know, I having seen it and, and even at Nam, we, we talked about it. I was again in Burbank at an event and could see the fires, the smoke from the, from the newest one, 4:33 the, the Hughes fire that popped up. And so, but I think it's, it's still happening. 4:41 People are still being displaced. You know, Paul, I, I, I pulled up an article from a few weeks back that from the Washington Post 4:49 that had said that 150,000 people were displaced. And the one you and I talked earlier this week, you're like, yeah, that went up to 200,000. 4:55 It, it's insane. It's insane. 4:56 And as fun as, as doing what we do on the channel, the podcast, the videos, the talking nerdy specs and granular and glitch delay, all all that fun stuff with people. 5:09 It's so much fun and I'm so honored and appreciative to be able to to do it and to have a platform of any sort. 5:16 But I think you and I both, Paul, have been feeling a little bit out of sorts, feeling like something else, something's going on that's affecting those around us and we can do something about 5:24 it. So are you want to share real quick with what we're doing about it now? 5:28 Someone else can get involved. Yeah, yeah. 5:30 So we had been tossed around the idea, knowing we were sort of on hiatus from podcasting, trying to figure out like, hey, it feels weird to just come back and talk about pedals. 5:39 So we wanted to do something and we, if you have not, if you're not a member of our Patreon or checked out our YouTube regularly, we put something out last week. 5:50 I guess when this comes out, it'll be exactly a week ago. And what we're doing is from now until the end of February, we have we, you know, we sell presets 6:01 for those who don't know, we sell presets for Maris Petals for the LVX and the Mercury X and more more soon, but not related to this promo. 6:12 And we are currently planning on donating all of the sales from that to the Airbnb 211 LA fund. And sort of the backdrop in the story on why we chose that is there's a lot of cool organizations to 6:26 give to. There's people doing like World Kitchen for food for firefighters and people who are displaced. 6:32 But in talking with some of our friends on the West Coast, both in the music community and not one of those kind of big takeaways from, you know, the. 6:40 Unfortunately, this is not the first fire in recent memory that has displaced people and. In LA. 6:46 Lot of Yeah in LA and a lot of the, you know, kind of things we're hearing is that more importantly than gear or like, you know, the Guitar Center is doing a cool thing where if you lost gear in the 7:00 fire, you can actually, you know, get and redeem with them to replace some stuff, which is very cool. 7:05 That's cool. Yeah. 7:05 More important than gear, more important than you know your clothing, your creature comforts, is knowing if you are displaced from your home, where are you going to sleep the next night? 7:17 And obviously you have family, friends, you have family. But on average, when you are displaced from your home and waiting for an insurance claim and 7:26 figuring out how to rebuild your home, assuming you can rebuild in the same area even, it's a year and a half to two years to build a home. 7:34 And that is a long time to couch surf, family and friends surf. And so the two 11 LA partnership with Airbnb is a way to give people a place to stay and have that 7:47 be funded by others. So that is why we chose that particular organization to partner with. 7:53 Yeah, yeah. And and like you said, every, every like we dropped the two new preset packs, one for the Maris 7:59 Mercury X1 for the LBX, but we also made it where every purchase of any preset pack, like anything on the Patreon, no matter what it is all of those for the entirety of January, which at this point 8:12 is all passed and in February, all of it's going every single penny. Yep. 8:18 Yeah. And then the other really cool thing is because we have become quite good friends with Gina and the 8:24 crew over at Maris, sort of as a way to incentivize people to buy things from us during this time so we can donate it. 8:33 Maris has partnered up and somebody who donates, whether they're buying, you know, a preset pack, whatever it is on our, on our Patreon store, 1 lucky person can win a Mercury reactor or an LVX, 8:46 which is cool 'cause you know, we, we have really loved working with Maris. They're also doing their own efforts to donate and give money to various funds as they are actually 8:55 based in the area affected by the fires. Yeah, they actually they actually postponed the launch of their new pedal or sorry, I don't know 9:03 that it's a new pedal. Actually they've they've they've been very coy about it. 9:07 Gina's been very I mean, I, I talked to her on the phone and she literally was like, I plead the 5th. 9:13 So their new product, their new product, which I think I know what it is based on my own desires and have no official actual education about what it might be. 9:25 But anyway, they postponed the release of a new product because of the fires it and it wasn't that they couldn't do it. 9:31 It was just it just didn't feel right. You know, it didn't feel, you know, the right thing to do to to launch a new product when 9:36 everybody's like like losing their house around them, friends and being being affected by this. So, so that was really cool that she was able to do that in terms of just good, good humanity, 9:51 right. But then beyond that to give away, they're giving away their own. 9:57 They're giving away one of every pedal that they make, every product, and even the new product when it comes out. 10:02 It's like a giant eddle board with everything they're going to be donating. And honestly, if you want to do that, do that, that's fine. 10:11 You can go on their their Instagram and and check out. All you have to do is actually donate directly to a charitable organization that's helping those 10:20 rescued by or those who are affected by the fire and send them the receipt. And when you do, you're entered to win their full pedal board. 10:28 We just wanted to do something else as well. And, and Gina was super cool and Terry Angelo are all part of of our on board to do this as well. 10:35 So like they're letting us give away an LVX Mercury X that ships straight from them and it's worldwide. 10:42 So it doesn't matter where you are and the in the globe like you can get it and super cool of them. Yeah, yeah. 10:49 So that is what we are doing to kind of give back in this time period. So if you, you know, if you want to be part of that, the easiest way to do that, we'll link our 10:59 Patreon in the episode like we always do. But just know that for the next, let's say, 30 days or so, based on when this episode drops, 11:08 everything purchased on our site is going to that Airbnb 211 LA fund. So we appreciate you guys supporting and being part of what we do and getting to get back here. 11:18 As you know, LA too, it's a, it's a big music town. It is. 11:23 And there's a lot of people who, you know, artists who I know are affected friends of mine who actually, fortunately we're not in Los Angeles, but, you know, lost property during this time 11:37 period. So it's affecting a lot of people. 11:40 And anything that we can do to give back and, you know, try to help offset the pain that people are feeling is, you know, it's important. 11:48 So, yeah, so that is what we're doing. And as we mentioned the top of the episode, we'll get we'll get in the pedals now. 11:57 Let's get in the pedals. That's what we're doing for for LA. 12:00 I prepared a couple of things to look at to get back and we are going to be doing, I think it's probably going to be our next episode after this one, an episode which is a year in review of 2024 12:12 and a year looking ahead with a guest. So stay tuned for that. 12:16 But I saw an article Reverb put out a few weeks ago that I figured was just kind of fun for us to talk through. 12:22 And it's a map that they did. They actually put it out the January 2nd of this year, so right after the year flipped they did a 12:31 the most popular pedal. OK. 12:35 By state. For 2024, OK, OK, OK. 12:39 You sent this. To me. 12:40 You sent this to me. I'm going to find it. 12:43 Yeah, I also put it in the episode doc if you want to just grab it from there. I'm. 12:47 I'm looking. I'm looking. 12:48 Paul, stop. Stop pressuring me. 12:50 OK, what's? Yeah, I thought it'd be fun. 12:53 I'm not going to say that on the episode, but I thought it'd be fun to sort of look at together and maybe extrapolate or judge certain states based on, you know, what the pedal, the pedal of choice 13:04 was for a state. I'll, I'll start while you're still looking with the great state of Pennsylvania, which we both call 13:11 home currently. Ours was the Ditto looper. 13:16 Really. Yeah, I thought that was interesting and it and according to the graphic and I'm I'm I'm assuming 13:23 this is accurate based on the graphics change based on version of pedal. It just looks like the straight up original Ditto looper. 13:28 Not the plus, not the X2, not the X4, just. Just a straight up. 13:34 Yeah, I don't know what to make of that. Pennsylvania. 13:38 We're not very. I mean, I guess a lot of people here are Lupin, so I could take from that. 13:44 Yeah, maybe. Maybe they are, you know, Yeah. 13:47 Just a little bit. It was kind of a boring one for our whole state to be the most popular pedal we bought is the Ditto. 0:00 And what? 13:55 Wait, what is? What is the parameters for this? 13:57 Like how did? How are they justifying that that? 13:59 I mean, I'm assuming that it's purchases on Reverb. Of the state then OK, just. 14:03 Reverb put this out. That makes sense. 14:06 They also have a like the best selling gear list as well as the most watched gear list of 2024, but I'm saving those for a year review. 14:12 OK, OK. But for them you know most popular price state that's what this is. 14:18 So this is just. I'm assuming you purchased it off of Reverb and your shipping was to the state is how they calculate 14:24 this data That makes sense? It is oh by the way Paul, password is not password. 14:31 Yes, I I am aware of that. OK, OK cool. 14:33 I just, I'm still stuck at, I'm still locked out because I don't remember the password. I feel like under pressure but I found it on reverb so I'm with you. 14:40 OK, you you got to the document. OK. 14:43 Yeah. So Ditto. 14:45 That's the state of Pennsylvania. I will say I don't think we're the most boring one of the state ones. 14:52 The most boring one to me is Rhode Island. The MXR 10 band EQ is the most purchased pedal in the state. 14:59 OK, Rhode Island, what's wrong with you people? What is going on? 15:02 Like, go back to some of our earlier episodes about, you know, shaping your, your tone. Yeah, you can hear me get people upset by saying that Eqs and utility pedals are not useful, which I 15:15 still stand by, but. I think the entirety of Rhode Island disagrees with you. 15:19 Yeah, they the well, it's to be fair, the entirety of Rhode Island is like less than 1000 square miles. 15:25 So it's not that many people buying a 10 band EQ. I just thought it was funny that a whole that's their like most popular. 15:32 So any jump out at you looking at this map? Because there's quite a few. 15:35 I'm on the map. I'm on the map. 15:37 OK, is there anyone, anything that jumps out at you when you? You know, I'm so yeah, honestly, Oklahoma is a disappointment. 15:45 Oklahoma is the it's the Boss NS-2 noise suppressor, also equally boring. But what's most disappointing I think, is that there are some fantastic pedal manufacturer companies 16:01 in Oklahoma. Yeah, that's crazy that that's the one because they have well. 16:06 Let's see they have Keely old blood noise and there there's more. I mean is is Blessed Mother in Oklahoma? 16:13 She might be in Oklahoma, but because I know she's connected with Keely. But regardless, boss NS-2 people, come on. 16:20 Yeah, that. Well, hey, if you go back to our episode right before the break with James, the NS 2 might be one of 16:25 the most important things you can do if you're playing live so. That's true, but you know. 16:29 Those folks in Oklahoma are all playing live and they've got their board set in 2024. They got they they were like, I got to tackle my noise. 16:37 I got to make my board sound good. I mean, they might be, but you know what? 16:41 There's also there there is there is also a noise noise gate inside the chase Bliss clean. So get creative and sorry. 16:51 The Blessed Mother is a petal from Heather Brown Electronicals, also known as godsmom.com. And is that in Oklahoma? 17:01 I don't know it's she's she's wise in that that her website does not give a location, but she mentioned having worked at with Keely before, like at Keely. 17:13 So I'm just making it a just a pure assumption. So. 17:17 Yeah, that that that does that is but. It wasn't. 17:21 Yeah, NS2IN Oklahoma is a little bit boring. I'm going to be honest with you, and I'll just admit this on the podcast. 17:28 So looking at a state map with just petals on it and not the name of the state, it took me a while to figure out which state was which. 17:35 And I felt like I should spend more time reading my Midwest geography while doing that because the only way I could find Oklahoma as I knew in my head it was above Texas. 17:44 Got it when you said NS-2. But anything else? 17:47 Like if you look to the right of the NS-2, I probably can. I I think I know which state is which. 17:54 But I mean, I know Louisiana's the one that looks like a a shoe. Louisiana, bottom of the. 18:00 Yeah, and it's at the bottom of my mole, which is the little guy that looks like a soldier in the middle of the Midwest. 18:05 That's. True that's true that's true. 18:06 I I think what we're really doing and so any of our international listeners who do not live in the United States of America, you guys are you all probably like dying laughing because yes, this is a 18:17 detriment of the US education system that we don't they don't drill into us to. Be fair, I did know this at some point in time. 18:24 It's just with all the other things in my head now. Geography of our own country has fallen apart. 18:30 I mean, when you hit 60, you do kind of forget that. Yeah, I forget what age we said we were on that one episode when we were talking about how we've 18:37 aged more. I don't know if we did, I don't know if we did, but I just steered everybody for a loop. 18:42 Yeah, 60 years old. It's it's hard being 60 years old nowadays. 60 Yeah 60 or 660-6060. 18:50 All right. California represented though. 18:53 California represents though. Yeah, Chroma console California. 18:56 I mean, I thought it was interesting up and down the coast there. So we've got the Keely compressor all the way at the very top in Washington state. 19:05 Then we got the Dream in Oregon, which is cool because I like the Dream. You do like the dream. 19:11 You a dream. Chroma console there in Cali and then Nevada with the pitchfork from EHX is weird. 19:21 I was like, because it I thought it was OK think just tangential observations pulling out from this map. 19:28 Tangential wrong word, just top level observations. I thought it was cool how not everything on here was a brand new pedal. 19:36 Yeah, which makes sense because reverb cells used. But like Maine all the way on the other side of the country, has the original mood as. 19:44 The number one purchase? Yeah, the last one. 19:47 Which you thought was cool. Like I was like, oh, this is neat that you know, gear I spend so much time in. 19:53 What's the next thing that it's cool to see? Like people are different places in their journey across the country at different times. 20:00 Like Texas made me laugh that the Big Sky was the most purchased just because it's like the most Texas named pedal you could possibly have. 20:07 I think that's Montana, Montana's Big Sky country. But but no, I yes, but Texas was like everything bigger in Texas. 20:15 That's just funny to me. But you, you just got to be a Big Sky. 20:19 You just. Got I do I do have AI do have a Big Sky. 20:22 I like you just got. It weird. 20:24 Weirdly enough, had never owned. That was it, 2024 that you got it. 20:28 Yeah. Or did you get it in 25? 20:32 I'm not sure I got it recently, but I don't know when that was OK. I think it might have been 24. 20:37 I might have been part of the I I like. Texas acquired a Big Sky last year. 20:41 You did not. Now, did you get a Ditto? 20:44 Did you follow through with I've? Had a Ditto since it launched, so no. 20:47 So no, that went forever. OK, OK. 20:48 Sorry. But yeah, it, it's, I think it's interesting. 20:53 Like there's a Tube Screamer in the middle of the country. Yeah, Iowa in Illinois or Iowa? 20:58 Iowa. Sorry, Illinois's got the drop. 21:00 Yeah. And I also, yes, drop right next door. 21:04 Yeah, just a regular TS9 tube Screamer for Iowa. Yeah, which jokes could be made about the Midwest being like 50 years behind us, But jokes could be 21:16 made. I'm not making them. 21:16 I'm just saying they could be made because right beneath Iowa in. Is that Missouri? 21:23 Yeah. See, they're laughing. 21:24 The Midwest is laughing at you right now because they know exactly what state is right below Iowa. That's fine. 21:28 It's I've driven through this area, I've flown over this area. It is just cornfields. 21:32 So crybaby wah, what state is that beneath? Iowa. 21:36 No, that's Missouri. You're right. 21:38 OK. I was like, I thought it was Missouri because I know Kansas is next door and they share Kansas City, 21:42 which I've been to, and it's fun. So I knew that one. 21:46 See, I know the areas, I know where they connect to. It's just without like context. 21:50 Also, it is funny. Have you ever looked at a map of the US outside of the like, kind of from a global perspective of 21:56 how it's not as like some of our states look bigger than they actually are on like a global map? No. 22:02 What do you mean? Oh, oh, oh, I mean like Alaska. 22:05 Alaska's never to scale. Yeah, Alaska's like Alaska's bigger than a lot of our state's combined. 22:12 And it's just like this tiny thing. What is their pedal even? 22:14 I don't even know what that blue. Pedal is Scroll down, let me see the R2R electric Super Super Mark 2 fuzz. 22:23 What? What are they doing over? 22:24 There. Well, OK, you got it. 22:26 You got it. You got to understand Alaska is always like subarctic temperatures. 22:32 So they have to make sure they have components that will never freeze. So. 22:36 So fuzzes is what's up. Fuzz is what's up. 22:38 Yeah, they're not. They actually can't function like the mood mark one wouldn't function there. 22:45 That's that's a lie. Everybody that is complete fabrication. 22:47 I'm sure the mood mark one would work there. Yeah, it's AI didn't. 22:55 Everybody miss this? Didn't everybody miss like just our bullshit for like 6 weeks? 22:59 Seven weeks going, going on random little tangents and making things up. Yeah. 23:04 To be fair, I think that's the first time in a while you've lied on the podcast so. Is it a lie if I tell it like if I fess up right away? 23:12 Well, I can edit the fess up out and then no one will know, but I won't do that. Yeah, I thought, OK, so things I thought were interesting though for so looking at the country as a 23:23 whole and looking at all these states. So yes, it's interesting. 23:26 Like Massachusetts had the carbon copy, which is kind of interesting. It's like an old an old faithful. 23:31 It's good though, I just got I just got one in trade and I was pleasantly surprised by it. Yeah, the honestly their OG carbon copy sounds phenomenal. 23:39 Yeah, I think it's the one I had. I had the one that's in that picture on the state. 23:42 I haven't messed with the one that has tapped tempo, but I have on good authority that it's actually disappointing comparatively to the OG. 23:51 But yeah. But what I noted was for all of the hype I see on the forums we spend time in, a lot of the a lot of 24:01 the pedals that would appear most popular based on who posts on difference different forums I'm part of aren't in this list. 24:10 They're not the most purchased. Now, you could extrapolate out that perhaps they're not sold used because they stay on pedal boards. 0:00 However, Reverb also sells new pedals from builders and shops. 24:23 And it was just surprising to me that some of the ones that seem to be, you know, the, oh, everybody has to have this. 24:28 They're not on this list. Such as? 24:31 There's actually, well, like all of the Marist pedals, there's not a Marist pedal in any state right now, right? 24:37 There's not many Chase Bliss pedals actually. Is the mood the. 24:40 Only chase Bliss on there, right? Yeah. 24:44 I just thought that was kind of. Interesting. 24:46 Minnesota, which is where Chase Bliss hails from, is the Stomp. Yeah, yes, yeah. 24:52 I just thought it was interesting, like some of the ones that trend a lot, the trendy picks were not the ones purchased by everybody. 24:59 I think actually, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think the Tonex in Florida is the only pedal that was released last year that made the list. 25:11 OK, scrolling scrolling through. There's a couple that I don't immediately recognize, but by and large I think you are correct. 25:23 Yeah, I would. That was like a that was a surprising take away for me looking at the list that only one pedal 25:28 released last year made the list of most purchased across the country by different by state. Now this is by state. 25:35 So you know it could be the number two slot for every single state is like the Chaseless Gen. loss or something right? 25:42 And completely going back to you making fun of the size of Rhode Island, the MXR 10 band EQ might be like #100 on every other state in America, but because two people in Rhode Island bought it, it's 25:53 #1. Yeah, which is funny to think just two people. 25:57 I think there's more than two people. I know there are. 26:00 But yeah, I just, it was a fun long map to spend some time with. I was enjoying what? 26:03 Is so high on in the country? I don't fully. 26:05 I recognize it, but I don't know. The it's. 26:09 An earthquake your device EQD. But it's, yeah, it's their legacy reissue of the dirt transmitter. 26:15 They are actually also in Ohio. They are. 26:17 So that's like one of the few where one of the bigger builders represented was purchased there. Yeah, I was. 26:24 Striemann took up a few states, so we've mentioned. Texas at the big. 26:27 Sky Arizona has the timeline and then Georgia has the cloudburst. Georgia has the Cloudburst, which you know, you and I have talked about. 26:34 They're small boxes like the Cloudburst, the Brig and the Ultraviolet. We've, we've gotten some, some feedback from some of our, our local guitar shop buddies that just 26:46 they don't move very much. And, and maybe that's just that's maybe it's a little bit too niche in our general specific area and 26:54 obviously not a representative of the United States of America in terms of all the purchasing. But I was a little shocked to see the Cloudburst make it on there. 27:04 Yeah, I mean, my theorizing there is Georgia has not, not one, but several mega churches and that's like a very House of worship reverb. 27:13 Yeah, not only, not only non houses. Not only, not only but that was that was my first like thought looking at that. 27:22 Well, it's because how many how many House of worship players have a Big Sky only to use the cloud algorithm? 27:29 Yeah, that is, I mean, quite a few. Yeah, actually. 27:35 Every single one in Georgia. Not anymore because they got the cloud burst. 27:41 No, that and I what I thought was also interesting is how many amp Sims made the cut. In general, though, yeah, Yeah, because we got. 27:48 So we mentioned the dream is over there in Oregon, the Ruby is in Kentucky, the. Iridium is in Tennessee. 27:56 Yeah, it's in Tennessee. Oh yeah, Tennessee, right. 27:59 I'm literally looking. At looking right at it. 28:00 Not not clocking the Iridium right beneath it, which also we when we were mentioning all the Shrimans. 28:06 That's the Shriman pedal to you can see how very organized we were for our first episode back to well, you. 28:11 Made this. You made this map. 28:13 We were not organized. We talked about this morning like, hey, do you want to record today? 28:16 Like sure. Alan, you can't break the magic. 28:19 They have to know how organized we are and how well we know the states. OK, but yeah, I so. 28:26 Which here's one for you, Paul, which is the state above, above Colorado and what are they showing as their number one pedal? 28:35 OK, let me map Colorado first in my mind because that's next to that touches Arizona and Nevada. So Colorado has the loop station. 28:46 No, that's not Colorado. That's not Colorado. 28:50 I'm wrong. Oh, God, this is embarrassing. 28:53 No, Colorado does have the loop station. I was right. 28:55 I was right. OK, So what did you ask me? 28:57 Sorry, I oriented Colorado first. Which one's above? 28:59 I did have it right. Which is the one the most population pedal in the state above Colorado? 29:05 The state above Colorado is a metal muff, and that would be, if I'm correct, Wyoming. Yeah, I'm right, Right. 29:14 Yeah, you are. OK, yeah, well, yeah, OK. 29:17 That is also a weird a Metal Muff being the state's most popular pedal. Well, there's a lot of ranches and Cowboys by trade, and so they're in the metal. 29:32 I feel like that's just a completely made-up thing you just said. I'm not that they're but like just the Cowboys are. 29:37 In the metal. I mean, Cowboys, so Cowboys historically, if we're doing stereotypes exclusively, are into country 29:44 music and folk music. But I guess Cowboys can be in the Cowboys can be whatever they want. 29:51 You know Cowboys can do whatever they want. Except the Dallas Cowboys. 29:54 They can't win the Super Bowl this year. Yes, because it's the Chiefs and the Eagles, which is a rematch of a few years ago. 30:03 Yeah, so I did know the states better than I thought. I just also still questioned each time I said it. 30:09 Because I was nervous, as evidenced on this podcast. Now, what do you feel about OK the New Jersey being the the Blues driver? 30:18 OK, but the Blues driver, which I think we've talked about are chronicled a few times, the blue drivers, the Blues drivers like an all timer. 30:24 It sounds good. Everyone likes it. 30:26 It fits a bunch of genres. So that one, that one makes sense to me as one of the like older pedals that has trended here. 30:33 I I'm fine with that. I have the spark boost in Delaware. 30:38 Well, yeah, come on, Delaware. Like what's, what's, what's going on? 30:44 Like what are we doing? Does does the Blues driver give you that Bruce Springsteen tone? 30:51 I mean, is it the bossy? It it can, it can give you that that Springsteen tone. 30:57 So that would make sense to. Me does the spark spark boost give you that no tax shopping vibe? 31:05 Yeah, I would say TC Electronics is known for the no tax shopping. That's the thing. 31:09 And the entirety of New York and you know this see this is embarrassing because like so I grew up so y'all, I grew up in Texas and and so like the Northeast is where, even though I live in Northeast, I 31:21 know New York you. Talking about the tuner, it's it's. 31:23 Vermont. Vermont. 31:24 OK, that's going to. Make the tuner. 31:25 Yeah, yeah. Why? 31:26 Is is tuning such a big deal in New York and Vermont? Apparently. 31:31 And Nebraska? Well, at least Nebraskans are using the. 31:34 Nebraskans have. The Yeah, so they they want little more. 31:37 They have the. Boutique tuner option Yeah yeah, it having the two tuners in Vermont and New York was kind of funny 31:45 to me. Just as far as like what? 31:48 And then New Hampshire. New Hampshire is a a state of taste with the DM one O 1. 31:53 No, that's the RE2O2. I never know what those look like. 31:57 Well, that's the, that's the RE2O2, because it's the, it's green. What's the DM one O 1 black? 32:04 OK, they're they look very similar. They're very, very. 32:06 And I'm also just, I just also realized now and this is that there's a list underneath that I could've looked at. 32:15 I was just looking at the map and spot. Checking that's awesome hey, well you know what that's impressive that is impressive so. 32:21 OK, RE2O2 and we have an LVX preset for that one as well, right? To be honest, I don't know. 32:30 One of the one of the ones. So we did the whole pack of the DM. 32:33 One O 1 for. Our give Black Friday thing one of the ones in there and I never remember which one it is because I 32:38 just have it on my LVXI really like the hold modifier that you put on it because you made that preset and. 32:44 For the DM one O 1's. Is it the the chirpy 1? 32:47 Is it the DM one O 1 or RE2O One is a pedal too. Right. 32:51 No, I don't. No, hold on. 32:53 I just boss have so many pedals. Because they were like one of the original peoples of pedals. 33:04 Why do they have so? Do they have so many? 33:07 No, it's I really want to remember which one it is. Anyhow, regardless, you made a really cool 1. 33:12 The chirpy the whatever the chirpy 1 is on, it's not the DM one. O1 it is Adm one O 1 there is there is a couple I've made and well then DM11 we made like 16 of them 33:21 right. We made presets for every single algorithm on the Dom one O 1. 33:25 But the basic one that we did that kind of launched us into the DM one O 1 was called warm chirp or warm chirp 2. 33:34 We've actually released. Yes, yes, yes and it goes and the half time of it where it has like the IT slows it down and then 33:40 you can like speed it up is really. Cool. 33:41 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that is actually so well, warm Chirp one, the original one that I made, I we released as part of 33:51 this LA Fire preset pack the warm Chirp. OK, there you go. 33:55 Yeah. Warm Chirp 2 is only available in the DM One O 1 which is a annual subscriber only preset pack. 34:07 OK cool, accidentally didn't add just because I mislabeled a pedal. Yeah. 34:17 Anything else while we're on the map that you want to call out? Because I want to, I want to get to a question. 34:22 Of no, let's jump to the question because I think we'll just like ramble over 50 States and I am wanting us to kind of keep these these episodes kind of shorter in time frame unless like the the 34:34 public demands us to do our long form hour, hour and a half ones. But I don't know, I was like you, you had told me the other day or like earlier this week to listen 34:43 to a podcast and it and it was like a 2 1/2 hour long thing. And I'm like how in the crap I still haven't finished it. 34:50 So I I kind of want to keep these shorter when possible. Yes, that's fine by me. 34:58 I'm fine with that. Let's let's wrap up then. 35:00 So all right, two questions. 1 is a question for you and I'm going to do our Reddit slash Facebook slash forum. 35:05 Post OK, bring it on. Question for you. 35:07 So I know we're doing an episode on review of 2024 to 2025, which we're going to kind of do like is an award season thing. 35:13 Just so everyone knows, anything you got since we last did an episode and are stoked on new thing, holiday gift, etcetera, anything. 35:24 Oh my gosh, I've gotten so much since our last episode, but the two standouts 1 is a new release that I'm looking back on our calendar. 35:34 I don't think we ever talked about it since I played it really, because of just when everything dropped but the Matthews Effects technician. 35:44 Yeah, we definitely didn't talk about that before or we might have mentioned it. Came out, we mentioned it because like, OK, so our last episode released on December 4th and I must 35:52 have, I'm sure I mentioned and talked about it and maybe teased it because the first sounds on that dropped the 6th of December. 35:58 So like all in that same time frame. But yeah, that thing is a beast. 36:08 And of all the good possible ways on what you can do, it's a reverb, it's a delay and it's a looper. It is. 36:15 There's some hints of Chase plus sorry, Chase Bliss in the functionality of it, how you how you do it, like more on the aesthetic side of things, but it's it's own machine. 36:27 Rick Matthews. I found out his name is not Matthew Matthews. 36:30 Rick really did a great job. They've already come out with a firmware update like and and they are like they are on it and it's 36:39 really rad. They did a good job with how they label out function as secondary features and everything and like 36:46 it's it's super cool. It is stereo in and out. 36:48 It is full USB. I'm sorry, MIDI and it's super cool. 36:55 I got that one and then one that's not brand new, so to speak, although it is new were and new to me, the discomfort to science phantom limb that I've been jonesing on for a while. 37:07 Yeah, you've been quite keen on that one and it turned out to be very cool. If you haven't checked out the first sound and technical Allen did on that also you did a there's 37:16 three videos for that. I think we did right. 37:18 So we on the phantom limb we did. So we did the. 37:21 Ambient video with everything in it. Yeah, so there's a there's a there's a first sounds, there's a technical and then there's a how to 37:27 get the best ambient settings that I that I did on the Phantom Limb, the technician, the microcosm and the mood Mark 2 all in one. 37:38 Yeah, so there's, there's some cool, there's some cool stuff to to check out there. Yeah, I, I haven't got my hands on that one yet, but that pedal. 37:44 Yeah, I don't know if you will. I love it too much. 37:46 That's that's fine by me. We have a few of those that work that way. 37:49 And honestly, the it's mono, and you all know I hate mono. I'm willing to look the other way on this one. 37:56 This is that good. This is the phantom lamp. 37:59 It's that good. I was I was really impressed with it from the videos. 38:03 So it's pretty cool. All right, what about you? 38:04 All right, my 2:00 I'm going to do 2 as well just because you decided to do 2 and I'll do like new to me and new overall. 38:11 So new to me. I got actually, well, this is also new, but like not a new pedal release. 38:17 To specify how I'm breaking this down, for Christmas I got a Electro Harmonics Mel 9, which is a very cool. 38:26 I still haven't totally figured out all of the nuances of it, but I had just I guess in the era of playing almost exclusively digital modeling with the Helix, I missed the 9 series from Electro 38:40 Harmonics and the Mel 9 is the Mellotron and it's cool. I really like the way it emulates turning your guitar into like a cello or a vocalization. 38:53 It's really neat. It's really weird. 38:55 I've also been experimenting and I probably will do a first sounds of it at some point, but maybe just like a experimental video, which is a new genre I want us to tackle this year of it plugged 39:05 into an effects loop so that you get like these weird trails of a brass synthesizer sound running in your effects loop. 39:15 OK, really cool, really weird. Actually a fellow let's trade pedals subreddit guy gave me the idea and then I've been obsessed with 39:24 doing it on actually the loop of my timeline. So I'll do something with that, share it soon. 39:31 And then new pedal that's also kind of a new release when we got on Black Friday that finally arrived. 39:36 In between us recording is the collision devices crush Turnal. Yes, we finally got that one in. 39:44 You wanted like the Super fancy color like a? Yeah, which took a while to get, which is fine and I'm glad I waited because it looks really cool. 39:52 I have as as if you've listened to our podcast or watched through, I've really been a fan of most of the collision devices things. 40:00 We've tried. Now let's see. 40:01 I have the black hole symmetry that my wife got me as a present for my birthday last year. We have the Nocturnal, which you've done a first sounds with, which sounds phenomenal, and then the 40:11 crushed ternal. And the crushed ternal really caught me by surprise with the way that it works. 40:19 The reverb is exceptional, the delay is super cool, but the sequencer gets so weird and the way they sort of interact with each other, the way the clock, the master clock applies to all three effects 40:34 and you can do some really weird stuff there with your timing and your lo fi E washed out sounds. It is a super cool pedal and I don't know, we haven't dropped that video yet, have we? 40:45 No, no, no. It's going to come out probably the next one we launch. 40:49 Yeah. So I think that's my two that we got since last honorable mention. 40:54 I haven't really put it through spaces, but I finally jumped on the 1981 inventions DRV with a mod one. 41:00 More on that later. More on that. 41:01 Later that that one came in like a day ago and I'm obsessed with it. So I get the hype. 41:07 All right, here's the question and it's a fun one and I just to keep us under wraps, I want your gut reaction. 41:15 I have one I have. I actually didn't scroll this thread. 41:18 It's a post from yesterday on our guitar pedals on Reddit. It is what is the worst guitar pedal from a big brand? 41:27 And then hold on, I got to give you the clarifier. I'm curious on what the community redeems as a bad pedal from said companies like Boss, MXREHX, 41:35 Earthquaker, etcetera. And then in quotes, if you say metal note metal zone, I know you're just baiting. 41:42 So worst guitar pedal from a big brand. Oh. 41:45 Man, I was going to say the Metal Zone. Worst guitar pedal from a major brand. 41:56 You have to go first, then you have to go first. I mean, my gut reaction is one that was one of my early purchases that I just like got rid of 42:03 immediately. Like literally I, I think I got it used on Craigslist because I wanted to. 42:08 I was before I got a Dynacomp, I got a Boss CS3 compressor to try compression and it just immediately sounded like shit. 42:17 It sucked all the tone out of the world. The compression was like the most plasticky compression I've ever had on anything. 42:26 And like, it's one of those things where like, and now that I understand how compressors work and what they should do, it in theory is doing what it should do as a compressor, except that it sounds 42:39 horrible and it makes your tone sound like it's run through some sort of digital processing that is made by Satan. 42:47 So CS 3 is my choice. That's my OK immediate gut reaction. 42:52 I mean, OK, so I think that's really hard. And you know, as much as we throw shade on some on some places and people, it's really more I, I, I, 43:00 I think we, the overall arching theme that we like to tell people is if it works for you, then it's good, right? 43:09 So I think that even on some of these big companies that maybe they, they, they turn out a lot of different stuff. 43:16 Not everyone is going to knock it out of the park. They still you. 43:20 Are positioning way too much for a gut reaction response? That's the TS, it's ATS 9. 43:28 OK. That was why you positioned so much. 43:30 That's a hot take. It's a hot take. 43:33 The TS9, yeah. OK. 43:35 Yeah, I'm glad I cut you off. So you just get one with your gut and stop, stop positioning because that is OK. 43:42 Why? Why is your why is that your choice? 43:45 Because. Well, I think a lot of people go with it because they it's a, it's a popular circuit, but it's The 43:51 thing is, it's not the best of the circuit if you're wanting a drive that that has a little mid, mid hump, there are better versions out there. 44:01 So if you really need to get a TS like that has a TS in the label, then get the eight O 8. I love this take. 44:10 I'm actually I'm not. I agree. 44:12 The eight O 8's. I mean, at least for the way I play guitar, the eight O 8's a way better choice than the TS nine. 44:17 Yeah, so wow, I've been so Boss CS3 and Ibanez TS9 are the Paul and Allen choices of the worst pedal from a big brand. 44:26 So good, good, good pull on the Ibanez too. I like didn't I just didn't occur to me because I could have probably found something else there. 44:34 But all right, well, let's wrap it up this week. We'll have more for you all next week. 44:39 We're excited. To be back lost all of our listeners, they, they were excited for us to come back. 44:44 And then they're like, what the hell, guys? It's been a rough January. 44:48 So I think that, you know, the people crave the podcast. Yeah, they, if they and if they don't, they're, they're going to listen to it anyhow. 44:53 You know what if if we can't, if our nation can't produce content that just polarizes people one way or the other, and if we can't be a part of that, then then are we even American? 45:05 On that note, have a great week everybody keep an eye out for some more videos on some new pedals we got. 45:13 We have, as Alan said, we we were not totally taking a break while we were off the podcast. We. 45:21 Kept. By what? 45:23 Just swapping pedals, swapping pedals, swapping pedals. So we got quite a few new things in the in the hopper to release his first sounds, some technical 45:30 videos and then we got some cool guests signed up. Some people that are we've mentioned their pedals before. 45:38 They'll be coming on the builder to talk about and we're excited to talk to, you know, more people. And as always, keep collaborating. 45:46 Talk with you soon all. Right go go buy ATS 9. 46:51 Yeah. © 2025 Spotify AB Legal Privacy Cookies