Episode 25 – The X Factor, Dissecting the Meris Enzo X

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0:08 Welcome to the Pedal Collaborative podcast. We're so glad you're here. 0:21 Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another week of the Pedal Collaborative Podcast. 0:27 I'm here. I'm Paul and I'm here with Alan. 0:30 Hey. And we're back for another week and the final week of February. 0:36 It's crazy that spring is on the horizon. It doesn't quite feel like it yet because it feels like the weather's crazy here in Pennsylvania, 0:43 going back and forth between super hot, super cold, super hot, super cold, 60° in February and then 12°. 0:49 But I'm ready for springtime and what that means. So, and we're first first on the agenda this week. 0:59 Alan was right. We got an Enzo X right after we finished recording our last episode, so. 1:04 It actually dropped while we were recording. Yeah, we just yeah, it was like the very tail end of it. 1:11 And then you immediately after recording, we're like, Oh my gosh, we were right. So we're starting off this episode by saying Alan was right, his theory. 1:19 I think you even may have mentioned maybe way back when we interviewed Gina initially about wanting an Enzo X as the next thing. 1:29 So you've been manifesting this for quite some time. I have been manifesting it but I was not correct from that that conversation with her nor with 1:41 everything else like I had asked for. Basically another one more big box that had Enzo, Autobit and Hedra all in it. 1:50 And not. Oh, you did say that, yeah. 1:52 Not just the part of it the, you know, cause 'cause the LVX and Mercury X both have elements of Enzo, Autobit and Hedra in them. 2:03 I was wanting one all with all three of those other ones kind of crammed into one. And I'm assuming that they threw some autobit anhedra into the modules that you can do for the Enzo 2:17 X. But this is this really is an Enzo X. 2:22 Well, yeah, it's really interesting. It's really interesting. 2:27 The thing I think I'm most stoked on it actually is the fact that it seems to have its own synth engine that you can control with a MIDI controller. 2:35 Yes, that. MIDI controller or Yeah, go ahead. 2:39 OK, I was going to say. Or where is it? 2:44 Hold on, where is it? Dang it, man. 2:46 It was. It's on their thing. 2:48 It's OK. Yeah. 2:51 Yeah. A synthesizer playable via instrument input or MIDI keyboard. 2:56 So that means the instrument input is like how the Enzo itself worked, where it's like your guitar becomes a synthesizer and responds to what you're doing. 3:04 MIDI input leads me to believe that it has its own synth engine and it does sound like from looking at it, it's a six voice Poly synth. 3:10 Six voice Poly synth Yes. So depending on how it sounds, I'm assuming it'll sound good. 3:17 At 599 list price. That actually might be one of the more affordable Poly synths out there for that many voices. 3:25 True, true. Yeah. 3:29 Interesting to think about the fact that they just like entered a whole new game by doing that. Well, yeah, 'cause how many other polysense give you like, well, you have the three foot switches to 3:41 easily switch programs. Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's certainly an interesting way to do it is it's 'cause it's like it's a 3:50 pedal, but it's almost not a pedal. It's a, it's a weird. 3:53 It's cool. I'm excited to mess with it and see what we can make it do. 3:59 I'm super, I'm super excited. I just as we're talking here, like I guess if if we're releasing this episode in sequential order of 4:10 release, then this is episode 25. If I overpower you in the next, I don't know, 12 hours and get this episode to actually be episode 4:19 24 and then the last episode, which we record is 24 to be episode 25, then the whole space-time continuum is disrupted. 4:26 Whatever the case is, all that to say is maybe by the time this video drop or sorry, this post, this episode drops, we might have some videos already queued up and released. 4:37 Maybe not. I don't know yet because I can't see the future. 4:41 But we're getting one, I've ordered one, and there we go. Yeah, we're not going to do it out of order, but it still might be true either way by the time this 4:50 happens. We might have, we might have a fight right now. 4:53 I will say it's definitely true by the time this fight. Yeah, that's fine. 4:58 But yeah, I I was happy to see you were correct. That was fun. 5:03 And also, but also I feel like there are things we couldn't have predicted that it has like. Oh no, it's absolutely not. 5:09 And it looks like there's a little bit of Mercury X and then some delay, which I the original Enzo had delay on it as well. 5:16 I don't believe it had reverb, which is cool to have. The Mercury X Prism have a few algorithms on here too. 5:21 Yeah, 'cause the prism. Prism is one of the, I want to see more unique algorithms on the Mercury X. 5:30 It's definitely one of the ones, you know, like the, the algorithms that are based off the CX in 1978. 5:36 The the room, the hall and the no wait, which ones were they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 5:41 Room, hall and plate. Sorry. 5:44 That's like the classic reverb and it's pretty easy to get your head around. You start looking at the prism or the gravity, then it's like, wait, what is happening here? 5:55 Definitely a lot more expression involved in how that those reverbs work. And then yeah, just a lot more of experimenting and and the parameters. 6:07 So it's super cool. Yeah, so I feel like I we mentioned on our last episode that we were going to have some new presets 6:15 forever. This is, I think we're definitely going to now that we know what this is because it's pretty sweet. 6:21 So I'm really looking forward to, I don't know, exploring. I feel like the fact that it also has a synth engine, like we could make synthy preset. 6:31 This is going to be it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun to mess with. 6:33 This is like a whole new Ave. for us as well. So yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't have too much else to say that I'm hype. 6:41 I did see a few I was like just checking out like Internet reactions so far. And there was a few people who were kind of bummed it wasn't more like a like a direct correlation 6:54 to like moving a Stripe and Mobius off your board. Yeah. 6:58 Which I, I mean to a certain degree like because they are new like the Mercury X, the LVX, like they have both just time wise been like successors for some people to having a Big Sky and a timeline on 7:12 their pedal board. So I think the fact that this is sort of like a, it does have some modulation stuff in it, but it's 7:19 not quite a one to one with a Mobius. It's an interest it it, it's interesting 'cause it will, it holds like a total totally new slot in 7:29 your effects technically 'cause there's not really a big box pedal like this on the market. There's there's my knowledge, there's not. 7:37 Can we pause for a second? Yeah. 7:39 Who? Who is? 7:41 Who's still rocking a Mobius on their pedal board? I have not seen one I've so I've never owned a Mobius just because I mean, we talked about this a 7:51 bit with our own journeys at the beginning of this whole podcast, but I I just for me like having a one-size-fits-all just mod pedal never really was something I was like interested in just because 8:07 like for me really chorus and phaser are the only two modulations I regularly use in writing music or playing music. 8:14 And even then, like I'm trying to think I don't even know if I know like more than one or two people who own one at all. 8:22 I could ever own 1. I don't know. 8:23 I don't know if it was ever as popular as the timeline and the. Still, is it still a thing? 8:29 It's definitely some production. Is it OK? 8:32 I'm checking. I'm checking the interwebs. 8:36 Yeah, find out. I'm gonna, I'm gonna find out, 'cause yeah, I mean, Oh yeah, it is still there. 8:43 Yeah, I I didn't think they'd discontinue. It's just I don't know if it's as widespread as the other two. 8:48 No of their big boxes. Yeah. 8:51 And OK. And this is a general blanket statement, but I feel in some ways like what I end up seeing on the on 9:01 the modulation side on on people's boards is again, Someone Like You, you're really just into like phaser and chorus. 9:10 So you're going to find the singular pedal or two pedals that are dedicated to those and what fits the best. 9:20 You know, you're not going to need like a Mobius, right, 'cause like you just don't use that much modulation. 9:29 Whereas delay and reverb a little bit more of a catch all and especially in the House of worship side of things. 9:38 More, more than I mean, maybe you're maybe you're in a cover band and you play a bunch of different kinds of stuff. 9:44 You're in a House of worship, which is arguably a cover band playing a bunch of different stuff like having having a a timeline, a Big Sky, an LVXA, Mercury X makes sense because of you get so much 10:01 bang for your buck. You get so many fantastic delays and reverbs. 10:05 But I I really think like that's why the Mobius isn't really you don't see it that much anymore. And Speaking of the House of worship side, people I'm usually seeing on boards people are using the 10:18 age 90 for. All yeah or or even the stomp. 10:22 Or the stomp, Yeah. 'Cause that's I mean for me the stomp is more of like a fly rig amp SIM thing. 10:28 But I do know, I mean, we even just talked about this recently. I sold a few pedals that or modulation style pedals because I was like, I don't use this enough to 10:38 have this pedal, but the stomp can and the stomp can do it well enough for when I do need this in a song or in a track. 10:44 I'm like, oh, I have I have this or even like the chroma console has some of those things too. But. 10:49 Here's here's the question on the House of worship world, right? I see the boards and I know you've seen them too, where they've got a Mercury X or a Big Sky, an LVX 11:02 or timeline. They've got an H-90 and they've got a stop. 11:06 So I call that the Big 4, right? Yeah. 11:10 Or big six technically, but yes. Well, no, I mean they're they don't have both the timeline. 11:15 And oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got. 11:16 Yes. OK, yeah. 11:17 Or and then and just for the other ones, yes. Yeah, yeah. 11:20 So there's there's an H-90, plus there's an HX stop, plus there's a big box delay, plus there's a big box reverb. 11:27 The big four. Yeah. 11:28 Are we, this is this is on the spot here without thought in House of worship world. Are we seeing the NZOX jumping into that world too? 11:40 Will we see House of worship boards with an NZOX? I don't, no, I don't think so necessarily because I also think of it like a lot of a lot of the 11:49 sounds of House of worship. And I think we actually maybe talked about this on an episode or maybe one of our lost episodes, 11:54 which we'll talk about another time. But like the idea that a lot of the sounds of House of worship are sort of inspired still like from 12:04 the mid 2000s to now by like U2 type guitar tones. And and unless you like don't have a synth or keys player, which I feel like most churches where 12:15 people are playing with a board like a space station like that do have on their team, there's not really a place for like synth emulation on your guitar pedal board that like fits. 12:24 Maybe if you have like a small worship team and you were trying to fill in and do that potentially. So I don't necessarily know, like in the same way the Mobius wasn't really when I saw in the House 12:35 of worship. I don't know that like I don't know that modulation necessarily fits the style of music that is 12:40 traditionally played in like most American churches at least totally could see stuff like Ottawa. And I have also used things like Ottawa when playing with like gospel people because that's fun. 12:52 It's a totally different genre of music. But I don't necessarily know that the the effects on this unit fit or or like are somewhat 13:03 redundant. Some of the things you might use are like redundant if you already have a mercury axe. 13:08 Sure. So that's my take. 13:10 What's your take? Do you think the same? 13:12 Well, yeah, I don't think it's, I don't think we're going to see it a bunch on there. Yeah. 13:17 I don't. I don't. 13:18 I don't. Yeah, I'm I'm honestly the thing I'm most stoked on because like I just had an Enzo like the OG one 13:26 and you did traded it traded it recently sort of knowing well you. Traded it. 13:31 We, yes, we, we gambled on it. We thought the Enzo X was coming. 13:35 And we were right. So that worked out. 13:36 You were right. Yeah. 13:39 But I, it was one of those things where I think I said to you, and it's kind of funny of what is actually happening now within. 13:46 So exercise, I was like, when I play this, I like because I own synthesizers as well. I was like, I'd rather just play a synthesizer than like turn my guitar into a synthesizer. 13:55 So the fact that this has that functionality is pretty cool. You can actually play it. 14:02 So if you create a cool sound and your input is now that, so that's, I don't know, that's pretty sweet. 14:10 I'm sorry, I I definitely need to get the, the replay, the Von Con replay back from you because. Yes. 14:17 That to control this. Do you not have another MIDI controller? 14:20 We'll talk about this offline. This is a whole another thing. 14:23 We actually talked about getting MIDI. We talked about, we had talked about us both getting new MIDI controllers in the near future. 14:27 So we'll talk about that after this. But yeah, so I, I don't, I agree with you. 14:33 I don't think it's going to find it's way there. I I am curious like to hear the the synth engine. 14:38 I think it's going to be a neat new thing. I also can't wait to hear it stacked with other pedals because a synth pedal with a ton of high 14:46 quality sounds in it stacked in with some of the other stuff. It'll be really fun so. 14:51 It's in Yep, and it's a beautiful gold, so you got to love that. Yeah, it's the gold finish. 14:55 We didn't even mention the finish. The finish will look cool with the If you have a white and a blue and a gold it will look really 15:00 cool. Dang it, my mercury ax is black. 15:04 I've had this with my LVX being black where I think it might color color palette wise look better to have a white LVX on some of my pedal board setups cause tone is in the aesthetic as we have 15:14 discussed. I. 15:15 Actually, I saw completely unrelated to pedals, someone the other day posting about how the artwork on an album changes how they listen to the music. 15:29 And it was like legitimately discussing the fact that if they had an alt cover of the same album, they might feel differently about the album than like the original cover. 15:38 And I was like, I, I thought about it and I was like, I, I kind of, I don't think I, I don't think I actually have that experience with music. 15:48 And also this is a weird thing, but about like 80% of the time now I've like listened to a single on Spotify before I ever had the vinyl record or ACD case with the album cover. 15:57 So I'm sort of, I sort of have an aesthetic feel for the music before it's actually, I know what the album cover looks like because that's kind of how music works nowadays. 16:06 So I don't know if I like, I don't know if I feel the same way about listening to music as pedals, but it was an interesting little tone. 16:13 The album is in the aesthetic as well. So I, I, I mean, I did see on Reddit this, this, this person posting they had they, they had 16:24 succumbed to the, you know, the Internet influence and picked up a it was a black fade DRV and they. This might have been the same in this. 16:43 This might have been off of that thread because. I think. 16:45 It was like there was like 2 threads about this that started and like we're splintered so. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I told the person that, hey, you know, tone is definitely in the aesthetic. 16:55 So if you love the look and you like the sound, then that's all that matters, you know? And if you don't love the sound, it's great to look at. 17:05 Yeah, the DRV, as we talked about a couple episodes back with Mike, it does. In my opinion, the sound matches the aesthetic. 17:12 Those are great pedals. I was actually because I am who I am, because I just sort of thought of that pedal for a long time 17:18 as like the Instagram pedal, 'cause I saw it on every. I was like, not that I was like opposed to it. 17:24 It's just one of those things where I was like, I don't know, everybody's posting about it. Can it be that good? 17:28 I don't know. It just might be the vibe. 17:31 That pedal matches the aesthetic. It is great. 17:33 It does it. Does and I. 17:36 We have a new one of those coming soon. We do as and I I was really stoked that you told me to buy one, but the. 17:45 Well I also found you the end of January code that was like 6 people got 1 so. Tis true we were able to do that but yet grabbed one of the professional ones, the Deloreans. 17:55 With the germanium. So y'all know I'm a sucker for germanium? 18:00 Oh my goodness, if never mind, that's ridiculous. Let's. 18:04 I'm, I'm just gonna throw something up at germanium totally off the cuff and then we'll we'll go into our other thing we were gonna talk about quickly. 18:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But so I had been borrowing your germanium Blues disorder, the Keely 1 and. 18:17 I felt guilty on the other episode where I said that you'll never get that. When we were talking with Mike and I was like, you're never gonna get that from me. 18:22 I felt guilty. Oh well, and then I got to play it. 18:24 I will say though, OK, this is and I, I'm gonna do an actual AB of this to see. I don't know how much different it sounds as a Blues breaker from the Morning Glory V4. 18:38 Oh, OK. Because specifically because I've had a double barrel version four with the Morning Glory in it and 18:44 that looks like a pedal I use pretty frequently for OverDrive. I really like the Germanium Blues disorder, but I I was playing it originally with my jazz master, 18:57 which is 1. I don't necessarily have like the feel for with the double barrel event just because it's like a 19:01 newer guitar and I haven't had the double barrel on my board recently. So I was playing my telly the other day and I was like, Oh, let me plug this into the Blues 19:10 disorder. And it was like instantly a tone that I'm like so familiar with of the morning glory. 19:15 And so I actually then I like later in the day plugged in the morning glory and it was like, I feel like these are pretty similar, but I actually like want to AB it to see if there's like little 19:24 nuance to it. Sure. 19:27 This actually segues into nuance of overdrives. I want to announce our March thing we're going to be doing on social media because I feel like it's. 0:00 Crap, that was, yeah, a segue. 19:37 A good segue though, right? Comparing. 19:39 I thought you were a segue into the JHS 3 Series that just got released, but you did not. We'll talk about that. 19:44 We'll wrap there. So we're doing a thing. 19:48 So, you know, as guitar players and and guitar pedal enthusiasts, we all love to ask questions of each other and compare things. 19:58 And we've obviously done some videos of comparison, like Alan did a recent one with like just ambient pedals of just doing the Chaseless Mood, Mark 2, the Microcosm, the Phantom Limb, few other 20:08 things. And so I had the idea. 20:12 Being that I am also a big sports enthusiast that going into March. Enthusiast. 20:17 Yeah, sports ball enthusiast, being that March is typically for college basketball, March Madness, Final Four brackets. 20:26 We were going to do a bracket in March and what we're doing is Clone Wars, but with AK because we are doing clon brackets. 20:35 So I between ones, ones that we already owned, ones that friends of the show and friends in general. Let us borrow. 20:44 We have 8. We don't, we're not starting with like 64 like the basketball. 20:48 We're not doing that. Also. 20:49 I don't want to, I don't want to do that. We we have a controlled environment. 20:55 Probably, honestly, there probably are. I feel like the clon is kind of like the New England IPA of guitar pedals. 21:02 It's like everybody has one but the clones. So I, I for many years had a Walrus Audio Voyager as my first clone that I like had in rotation. 21:17 We have acquired the 8 we have. Let me make sure I get this right because I have the picture of I'm going to post this picture 21:22 alongside this episode. When we do this, I have the let's see, we have a JHS, not a clone. 21:31 We have a Voyager mark one. We have an origin effects Halcyon. 21:38 We have a Voyager mark 2. We're going to actually, I think I'm going to match those guys up against each other. 21:44 We have the warm audio Centavo, the Wampler Tumnus, the Nordvong sig 1:00 and then we do have a KTR actual clon as well. 21:54 So the way we the way we did this in its controlled environment lab is I created for round one-on-one of my loopers. 22:03 I created a little loop. It just got some inverted power cords, a few little lead licks, and then some finger picking to kind 22:10 of show the wide range of each pedal. And then I just swapped pedals in and out and recorded a video with that same loop playing. 22:20 I matched. I started with the KTR since it is the OG and I put I match, I tried to match all of the other 22:27 pedals to like the sound I was getting that I liked out of that for this particular little riff I wrote. 22:33 And then we're going to have all of you wonderful people vote on each one and sort of evaluate like, you know, is the texture good? 22:41 Does it sound different? Frankly, I listen to it too many times that my brain like was tricking me out on. 22:46 I don't really know how different they all sound. I also. 22:51 Like every IPA, they all taste the same. Well, and I remember texting you originally and I do there, there are, there are distinct 22:57 differences because I like gave myself a break and like listened back to them later and I was like, OK, there are things that I can pick out here that are distinctly different. 23:07 I was a little bit like I, I 'cause I am, I'm always sort of a skeptic when it comes to like, do you need the most expensive thing? 23:14 Is this like, you know, is it just hype? Is it vibe? 23:19 Is it actually as good as it is trending? But there are some things in here I'm excited. 23:24 I'm not going to color anyone's opinion by talking about it before it's out here, but there are some things I definitely pulled out and I was surprised by in doing this little shootout. 23:32 So that is our our March Madness bracket of Clone Wars. Look forward to hearing all your votes and see who moves on to the next round. 23:41 Because we start with eight, then we'll go to four and then there'll be two for the finals. So Week 1 of March we'll let, we'll let the the eight guys run, get voted on Week 2, it'll be the 23:50 four Week 3 and then we'll announce the winner of the final week of March. So, and you've successfully combined 4 things that is going to reach everybody in the universe. 24:01 Guitar pedals? Yes. 24:02 Star Wars? Yep. 24:04 Basketball and beer, you've you've done that successfully just now. Like, that's marketing genius. 24:11 That's why I got. That's why in my day job I won an award. 24:14 That's what it was. It's my marketing genius mind of making star. 24:17 Wars post a picture of you with the award. We'll do in it. 24:20 We'll we'll do something else with it. We'll do something. 24:24 So real quick, let's wrap on the other release of last week that we for we forgot to talk about because it actually happened before our recording, but we're talking about now, which was the JHS 3 24:35 Series put out three new pedals. Two, which we probably will see, we will see on House of Worship pedal boards. 24:44 Yes, I think so too. I have played with a couple of the three series pedals. 24:48 We decided and this is, this is a we're we're future. We're just telling people our content schedule. 24:53 Basically we're having a meeting right now, but we we're going to be doing some, I think we're going to do the JHS 3 Series. 25:01 We talked about the three series, potentially the Walrus fundamentals and I think the, the one series of all of the boss pedals, like the one that's like the basic 1. 25:11 So like the DS1, the CE1, like whichever 1 is like the, the first level and just do some like shootouts and comparisons of like, Hey, 'cause I mean, I what I like about the fundamentals in the 25:22 JHS 3 Series is no matter what pedal, they're 9999, which is kind of nice. We're going to be doing some little shootouts there too. 25:29 So look, look for you got clone, you got clone wars coming up. You'll have some shootouts with some budget pedals. 25:34 It's going to be fun. I, we have some cool stuff heading into the spring here. 25:39 But I am, I am intrigued because the oil can delay is 1. I always like and I do like that there's a three series oil can delay. 25:47 So I'm intrigued to check that one out. Well, they had, they had actually released that a couple years ago when for Black Friday, I think it 25:53 was 2023. That I remember that existing. 25:56 At some point it was all blacked out stuff, so that's when you know Walrus released the marakai first. 26:02 As a blackout 3 verb you could get the line 60 L 4 mark 2. As a blackout, you could get the JHS. 26:09 Was that 2022? I don't think, I don't know. 26:14 The world did. I don't know that was that was before yesterday, but all it it was that was before yesterday. 26:22 Yes. We know it wasn't 2024's Black Friday, it was a previous Black Friday in the twenty 20s. 26:34 Yeah, it was some other time. There's no way to. 26:36 Actually tell, there's no way to know. Well, also every year since 2020 has been 2020. 26:43 So some, someone the other day said that 2025 is 520 twenties in a trench coat. And I kind of agree. 26:50 So how it all feels. But yeah, the I, I do remember them having that, so I'm excited to have that. 26:59 What was the other one? They put out a Rotary chorus. 27:01 And what's the third one? It's another delay, tape delay. 27:03 Tape delay. Yeah. 27:05 So I find it in I've, I've, I find the uniformity of those 3 pedals, of the three series pedals intriguing to me. 27:13 They all look the same. It's just something about it appeals to me and I've only really messed with, I think, the fuzz and 27:20 what's the other. We had two of them at one point in time. 27:22 We had the fuzz, which I actually kind of liked. It's like spitty and kind of gnarly. 27:26 What's the other one we had of the three series? We had them at the same time. 27:31 That was before yesterday. It was like last summer. 27:36 I don't remember that it might have been the reverb. I don't know. 27:39 Well, but we're we'll, we'll do some shootouts, we'll have some stuff with that. I'm excited to try some new, some try some new things that maybe you know, we wouldn't try other if 27:48 if we didn't want to do all sorts of comparison videos, which I like. So. 27:53 Yeah, the the world is our oyster here. Yeah, we can. 27:56 We can make little, We can make pedals, we can make pedal things. I do have a question of the week that I wanted to bring up as our our last one here. 28:07 It's one I came across in searching on Reddit, 'cause it's where most of them, most of them. I feel like that's where most of my searching for stuff is. 28:16 Let me grab it here. It was a it was one I think appropriate to us that I saw like actually right before we started 28:23 recording. OK. 28:26 Are you ready? I'm ready. 28:28 OK, new to pedals, starting with reverb advice. Pedal noob here. 28:34 I'm fairly nude guitar playing just under a year. I was gifted a crybaby wah for Valentine's Day and I'm immediately hooked. 28:40 So now of course I'm curious to start exploring other effects as well. Oh no, this deck feels like a rabbit hole I'm about to go down. 28:46 I love to play around with tones on my amp but I am feeling the want to have the pedals go back and forth between effects more easily. 28:51 I've read a ton of threads but felt it was worth asking a few specific questions to my situation. Love the specific question. 28:57 That's actually important because a lot of people on Reddit especially will be like we don't understand what you're playing, we don't know, read the manual. 29:04 You know when people ask broad questions. So I like to your situation. 29:08 I'm mostly playing at home, not trying to be a performing musician, play a lot of different music from all genres as I'm learning. 29:14 But I'd love to start with a dreamy Spacey reverb pedal. I've drawn to that kind of effects across multiple genres. 29:19 From there I imagine getting one to two more starter set, ideally without getting carried away. A phaser, a delay, and then the sweating emoji, which I like that the person really knows they're 29:27 getting into it. Love to get into some pedals that have a few options and adjustments but are more straight. 29:33 Sound straightforward, sound good out-of-the-box. So it sounds like someone that doesn't want to tweak. 29:37 Been looking in the 200 ish range, new slash use, seeing some that are more expensive as well. I'm not opposed to that, but I don't want to overbuy something I'll be able to take full advantage 29:46 of. So I'm seeing Walrus Audio EHX sum up to meet my needs among a million others. 29:52 They get pricier like Striemann and Chase Bliss. Help me narrow it down. 29:55 Excited to see what you all recommend. So we've done some of these beginner type questions, but knowing the specifics of this person that 30:01 their first pedal was a wah, which is interesting. And then they know they want to reverb a phaser and a delay. 30:09 They want to maybe stick in the two hundreds range, but they're OK with going up. So this is like really, really specific parameters for us to play in answering a question. 30:15 So 200 ish range, I'm going to stick there because we obviously have our ones we'd recommend above that price range. 30:22 New to guitar, they want something straightforward out-of-the-box, but that gives them options. What are you giving them for? 30:27 A reverb, a phaser, and a delay? Is everything total $200 or you just 200 bucks? 30:34 Let me clarify this here. I think 200 is a piece it looks like and starting with the reverb, that's the that was the title. 30:44 OK so the one that comes to me to say this is what I would recommend is the walrus slow. Either the slot 5 you get it or the slower. 30:54 If you get a used one. If you use slot 5 'cause they don't make them anymore or the slower and 'cause he wants that dreamy 31:01 ish sound and there's so much dreaminess and the slower. But it's easy to use and you get the presets. 31:08 So that's my vote on the wall Reverb. I feel like I would probably since I've had it of the two of us have had the slower more recently, 31:18 same slower actually passed between us. I I feel like for if I was I feel like the slower has a bit of a it doesn't do basic sounds super 31:32 well in my opinion. It does dreamy only so if you if you only had it as a reverb because I always felt like I needed 31:39 like my amp reverb or something else whenever I had the slower, which is partially why I moved on from it. 31:43 And also the Dark Star V3 just blew my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 31:48 Yeah, I feel like I might recommend actually like the Hall of Fame, like the new one, the Hall of Fame 2, because it has some presets. 31:57 It can definitely get a little Spacey. There's some weird stuff if being our last episode we talked about like power supplies and stuff. 32:04 I do feel like the TC Electronics pedals do some weird noise that I've never been able to dial in. Like it's almost like there's a weird noise floor built into the pedal. 32:12 But if you're just starting out and you want to have something that gives you a lot of dreamy flexibility, there's like the presets build into it. 32:19 And I also have the weird thing where you can beam them from your phone with the tone print. I don't know if you've ever messed with these. 32:24 Do you know about this? I do. 32:26 That's yeah. You like attach it to your pickup and beam it to your thing. 32:32 It was like the whole premise of the mini Hall of Fame was like, you don't have a lot of settings. You just do it from your phone, which is like kind of weird. 32:38 But yeah, it was before, like Bluetooth was a thing. But I just feel like for that for for bang for your buck and getting a lot, that's maybe where I 32:46 would go to get started. I will also honorable mention, and I don't actually even know what it costs 'cause we traded into 32:52 this recently. What is the Keely Hyde, not Hydra? 32:55 Is the Hydra the one I have the one that's the tremor? Well, right now you've got both the Hydra and the Zoma. 33:00 Can you get the hydra for less than 200? Use 'cause I might actually recommend. 33:04 That yeah, you can. 'Cause that one, what I, what's cool about that one is the reverb like to, to answer this exact 33:13 thing out-of-the-box, it's really like OK, this sounds good, The different 3 algorithms sound good. But then when I was showing you 'cause you had like you had had one and passed it quickly and like 33:21 didn't really dig too much on the hydro originally you said that like there's a lot of things when you dig into that thing where you can get some crazy secondary sounds out of it. 33:30 And then also just as a bonus you get like a pretty cool trim with three different modes too. So like if you wanted a dreamy reverb, I think there's enough dreaminess in that pedal that that's 33:41 obviously a higher price point. I think probably even used in the Hall of Fame, but it. 33:46 Is but. I feel like if I was in that 200 range, that might be one that I was I would consider down there 33:51 too. Yeah. 33:53 Not that I wouldn't consider the slower, it's just I feel like if I was starting out, the slower might be almost overwhelming because it's like it's just creating these crazy pads and these octaves 34:02 and these delay trails and stuff where you're like, I don't know what's happening 'cause I don't even understand the effect 'cause I'm new to it. 34:06 Yeah, yeah, I want it. So phaser and delay. 34:11 Phaser and delay with. All right, so phaser, you know what? 34:15 It's not my not my most favorite of them in terms of of effects, but I'm digging the Carolina Arigato. 34:25 That is a pretty good one and you can get them for that price point as well. Yep. 34:31 We actually could still answer this thread by the way, because it's like an active 1. So we could, we should probably one of us should go on the TPC account and answer this person with 34:38 our answers. We just. 34:39 Tell them they need to come out of the Just listen to the podcast. Listen to the podcast. 34:43 We we could tell. We could tell them we answered their question anyhow. 34:46 That's true. We could. 34:47 That might be fun. Yeah. 34:50 I feel like the Arigato is a pretty good answer because there's a lot of flexibility and that Havoc switch does such cool stuff. 34:56 Yeah. It's cool, it's cool. 34:58 We I feel like Caroline has become like pervasive in my mind for like that. Basically the answer to this type of question is like their pedals are not crazy expensive, but 35:07 they're incredibly well built and they can do a bunch of different stuff with only like 5 or 6 knobs. 35:13 So you're like going to get good sounds out-of-the-box. I for me, I don't think they mentioned you don't get presets, which is a little bit of a bummer. 35:20 If you find a cool noise you can't like necessarily pull it back right away. I, I actually was going to also say to Arigato, so we can just move to delay. 35:31 OK. I we both just played with that one, so it's for. 35:36 For me, delay, it's a, it's a little bit different because it is. So there's so many delay options and there's so many really good ones. 35:44 But if you're kind of just starting, but you want options and you want ease, JHS flight delay is a killer, a killer delay. 35:53 Yeah, that is a really, really good one because it gives you a little bit of analog, a little bit of delay, a digital and then you get that reverse which you don't always get on every pedal of this 36:04 price delay wise or even like the reverse is kind of hit or miss on delay. That's a really good answer. 36:12 I had two, I thought of one, but I'm gonna say I'm gonna do the one that I actually own and still like and play with used. 36:20 You can get a Boss DD200 for 180 and I feel like with that you get 5 presets. It's a Boss pedal, so like anybody can figure it out. 36:31 You get a little looper in there as well and you have like basically every delay algorithm you could think of. 36:41 Is it an end all be all? No. 36:43 Would you be able to play with it? And it I think it also goes a little beyond like that beginner tier because it's something I've like 36:49 like you could play live with if you needed to. So great answer. 36:55 Yeah. So all right, well, that's the question of the week. 36:59 Keep an eye out as we hit next week for the beginning of Clone Wars. Your input is what's going to move things on to the next round. 37:06 So vote, vote for your favourites. And I do ask to consider this is one of our friends of the show, Scott, who also does all of our 37:13 graphic design shout out. Scott. 37:15 He he was like, I feel like you should give people some like parameters to like, don't just vote based on the art you like or the one you like coming in. 37:22 Like consider it like, you know, hey, which one sounds like it would fit into a mixed best? Which one like which one fits this? 37:28 Like consider sort of a holistic view of the pedal. I debated blind testing this and not having the graphic up of the pedal to try to do that, but I 37:37 feel like that would, I don't know that that that I feel like it's more fun to look at the artwork when you're listening to. 37:43 Each one. But consider, consider holistically. 37:46 Don't come in because I will say some of my preconceived notions were actually, what's the word I'm looking for? 37:54 They they were blown apart by this 'cause I didn't think they were going to be what I thought they would. 37:58 Be they were wrong. Wrong. 38:00 Yeah, just. They were incorrect. 38:01 I wanted to say like they zagged away from zigging, but I was like, that doesn't even. I don't know what I'm saying, I'm just saying words that don't make sense. 38:07 So but yes, Clone wars, keep an eye out and also you'll some some Enzo X stuff coming soon. So we say Enzo X because it's a real thing now, not just Alan and I have been calling the Mystery 38:22 Mares pedal that since before they even announced it. It's like their next pedal, the Enzo X. 38:28 So it almost feels like funny to me, 'cause like I, I had the thought of like, if they call it anything else, we have to like we've had the nomenclature for so long now that we've been calling it 38:38 that. We should have trademarked the name. 38:41 Well, I'm sure they already had that by the time they made it. Let's go, Let's go get the other ones. 38:47 The hydra X the auto X don't. Don't say it out loud. 38:52 Yes, there you go. But all right, well, have a great week everyone. 38:56 We'll see you soon and keep collaborating. In March. 39:00 In March, bye. © 2025 Spotify AB Legal Privacy Cookies