Episode 27 – The Real Victims of Canadian Tariffs

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0:08 Welcome to the Pedal Collaborative podcast. We're so glad you're here. 0:21 Hey everybody, welcome back to the Pedal Collaborative Podcast. I'm Co host Alan and here with me as always is my good friend and confidant Paul. 0:32 How's it going, everybody? Paul, how are you? 0:35 You sound. I don't know I'm. 0:38 Elated. You're elated. 0:41 Why are you elated? Well, it's a beautiful day. 0:44 As I told you right before we started, I'm not closing my window regardless of sound because it's too nice out here. 0:50 Oh, like the window is open so we could hear like birdies. You're gonna hear birds and cars going by the whole time. 0:55 That's fine. I was like, I'm not, I'm not doing this, no. 1:00 But it's a beautiful day. It's 70° here, which feels. 1:03 Really. Really nice after the long winter. 1:06 Yeah. So I was just. 1:08 Talking to a buddy in LA. He's in LA right now and it's like in the like, low 50s and raining. 1:14 Yeah, so. East Coast is where it's at right now. 1:18 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, the, the good weather, the good vibes, I've been enjoying that a lot. 1:25 And then in the in the things I'm excited about that we have to talk about. I didn't record it yet, but I was setting up for the next round of Clone Wars. 1:38 And I. Was just messing with just some sounds later on and a little shout out to our friend Steve Demi Dash 1:47 who's been on the podcast before I have still been basically the only new pedal I've played with for the last few weeks just because we spoiler alert to anybody who doesn't know how content creation 1:58 works all of our first sounds videos and stuff were recorded like probably a few weeks ago maybe even a month ago some of them because we just record them when we get the pet the pedals and then we 2:09 put them out so that also as we both travel or get sick or live life there's. Content free at the same time. 2:15 Yeah, there's content. Yeah, it's literally what's happened. 2:17 Or like, I get really mad at the performance of one video, so I just released another one the next day. 2:22 It's good to, it's good to have those in the can. We need to, we need we as much as anyone needs dopamine from people liking our videos. 2:28 So but that ought to be said a pedal. I've just basically for the last I think week now since it came to my house. 2:37 Maybe it seems longer because I played with a lot. I've just had the new Solaris Trichorus from Demi Dash just sitting on my desk and playing with it. 2:46 And now if you are in the United States, it does kind of suck now because since Steve is a Canadian, there are tariffs to. 2:56 Import. It's not Steve's fault. 2:58 It's not Steve's fault, no, I feel, I feel like we are proof that US and Canadian relations should continue well. 3:06 I think the pedal world is. Pretty yes yes there's good Canadian builders but that Solaris analog Trichorus it's it was one of 3:13 the things where I was setting up for clone wars and the reason I didn't record any yet is because I was like you know what I'll just play around with this for a little while and then I didn't get 3:21 anything done because. I was and how many hours later? 3:23 Yeah, yeah. And it's a really cool pedal. 3:26 We'll have a video of that as soon as I It's one of those pedals that there are actually six different chorus options within it. 3:33 Oh wow. So I haven't quite felt confident to go and record a video of what it sounds like, even because I'm 3:40 still finding new sounds. And though sometimes we record those, I feel like this is one that I want to really show off, right? 0:00 It's got a lot I can do and I want to understand what each each knob is doing in each setting of 3:52 chorus. So, and I don't think, I don't think I'm checking right now that I don't think there is other 3:59 content on online for that. There might be one, but I think Steve made it himself, right? 4:05 So yeah, I'll. You like my typing? 4:07 Yeah, I hear you typing. All that. 4:09 To be said while you're typing and looking this up, how are you doing since you asked me and I said I was doing great and I said the weather in this damodash pedal or had me in hide high mood. 4:18 I'm doing. I'm doing well. 4:19 I'm doing well. I am probably a little annoyed because you didn't send me the Solaris. 4:27 Well, I was going to send you the other one. Too, I know, but come on. 4:29 Like. You have a box coming to you right now. 4:31 I really, I dropped it off like I dropped. I know I do. 4:33 Yeah. Then and the Enzo X is in there and it's, it's very like I, I did, I, yeah, I mailed it to you 4:42 before I went to LA. Right. 4:43 And then I played with it and I said back to you so. No, I know with. 4:46 Another with another pedal to model on the Enzo Explorer Alert presets coming soon. No, I presets are coming soon. 4:54 No, I, you know, I was, you were in Vegas for a week and then I was in LA for a week and then I came home and I was I got sick. 5:00 So it's. Being out both ends of your body. 5:02 I don't think people want to know that. They do. 5:04 They want to know. It's part of it's part of the charm. 5:07 Wait till like for those of you who want to get more graphic on that the first episode of Pedal Collaborative podcast After Dark. 5:15 It's just going to get nasty. We. 5:17 Call it after our darker after hours. I don't know, after hours maybe? 5:21 After hours sounds more loungey. Let's go after. 5:23 Hours loungey as we talk about. Yeah. 5:24 We're, we're soft launching. This is a thing we're going to do at some point. 5:27 Where? Yeah, but I don't think we're like soft launching talking about my my gastrointestinal virus is not, 5:34 I don't think no one. I think people are like, dear God, get off this thing. 5:39 Oh man, this is great because we also don't really do a whole lot of post editing on our podcast. We just, it's just. 5:43 No, I I fully want this. This is part of the episode. 5:46 It's it's in there, it's in there. Well, neither neither of us have time to edit it out. 5:49 So we self produced. No, I was saying that being gone for two weeks, not feeling well. 5:55 It's really hard to pick up my guitar and do stuff and I have I did it like one day I grabbed because we got the the old blood noise BL13 like that that the final BL fit. 6:10 It's an octave pedal and that came in and I was playing around with that. But also because I am a sucker for germanium. 6:17 I had found on somebody selling, I think it was on Reddit, somebody was selling a germanium Keely Super Fat, which is his BD two yes, and you know me and germanium. 6:28 So I just bought it. I mean, I think was trying to trade it and I'm like, dude, I'll trade it for cash. 6:33 What do you want for it? So yeah, it's a lot hairier than I was expecting and it's rad, so I have. 6:39 So I played about this a little bit. But all that to say, Enzo X, I'm missing the Enzo X and I'm glad that you sent it back to me. 6:45 Yes. It's coming back to you as of today. 6:47 It is, but can we, can we talk for a quick second? Is this not at all what we were going to talk about when I told you my idea? 6:52 Can you talk? About whatever we want to and we can do. 6:54 That at any time, if we go too long, this is what we do. This is this is our. 6:57 It's our life. And we can do whatever we want. 6:59 Everybody just, like, listens to it. I don't know why. 7:03 Let's talk about these damn tariffs. Because it's not because. 7:08 Because you know our buddy Ryan from Doctor Scientists. I know that was such a cruel thing. 7:14 He drops he's and I don't know, I don't even know if it's actually done been happened yet because. If it's done been happened yet? 7:21 If it's done been happened yet, I haven't gotten a a a newsletter e-mail, Man, my brain's firing at 85 1/2. 7:28 Places I'll I'll pick up here. Dropped a small batch of the the the tremor lessons. 7:36 Like small batch like 5 of. Them, five of them. 7:38 There's five of them. And it includes a little bundle of the Stump Box 365 calendar, which is very cool and artsy and I 7:45 like, can I go on? And then a business synthesizer card. 7:49 Oh, yeah. And then you get stickers and picks and some other goodies, right? 7:54 And you sent this to me and I was like, oh, sweet. And then you were like, Oh no, but Canadian tariffs. 8:00 Canadian tariffs, Well, that was a thing. Like, you know, we had talked to Steve about these prototypes and it was like we had to 8:07 strategically plan when to to make that happen because of the tariffs, right, like. Yeah, I'm hoping they go away soon. 8:15 That's my hope. I I mean, if, if mainstream media is in the indicator of what's going to be happening, it is not 8:21 going away soon. Well, I guess the used market for Canadian pedals is going to be hot. 8:29 There's get get your Fairfields, get your Fairfields, get your Demodash. Get your doctor, scientist, Contra assemblies. 8:37 This is it. Guptech or Guptech? 8:40 That's not one I know very well, but I think that's, I actually don't know how it's pronounced, but I know which company you mean. 8:45 Yeah, but there's another big Canadian builder we're forgetting. And there, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 8:49 There's a guy, man, oh man. His his pedals have like the map of Canada on them. 8:56 I'm drawn to blank. Damn, I'm that's bad Canada guy. 9:00 We'll call him Canada guy. No, but so many good pedal manufacturers coming out of Canada. 9:06 And was it 25% tariffs to the US? Yeah, So Rev Diamond, Winnipeg Electric. 9:16 Winnipeg, that's. That's you meant when you said the flag, because the flag is. 9:20 On it flag of the map. I think it's the flag. 9:23 Anyway. There's I was like, I was like, I know this solid gold Empress Empress too. 9:28 Yes, yes. Oh man. 9:29 Son of a bitch tariffs man. A company whose aesthetics you don't like. 9:37 Now you're like son. Of a Yeah well, but they make good pedals. 9:39 It's. Yeah, they do. 9:41 They really do. It just sucks that they they won't be around for people to make. 9:43 Well, they'll be around. There's used, there's, they're in the used market, but like any new things or people wanting new 9:48 ones. Yes, sorry, it is the Winnipeg. 9:51 Winnipeg Electric is what I'm thinking of because they also just released a Blues Deluxe. Yeah, I think you sent that to me. 9:58 I did because it's really sexy. They're also just really on this Blues driver style. 10:03 I've always, but I've that's that's always been my thing. I know since I've known, since I've known who I am. 10:09 Yeah, since you I self identify as a Blues driver guy. Yeah, that I think you sent me that a couple weeks. 10:14 Ago I did. I did. 10:15 Yeah, So what do you what's that become if we add tariffs? Let me just do something wrong. 10:19 I. Think you have to add like times 3 * 3 times. 25% work, you just add 25%. 10:26 I don't think you know how it works. I don't think you know how math works. 10:30 So a pedal that is $191? So say 200 bucks, now you're adding in $50. 10:36 It's 250 now. I'm way rounding right now. 10:41 I'm just going to do the actual math because that's like here for us, that's $50.00 to 191. Yeah, so well. $4047 so 238 for a. 10:50 Pedal so you're 91, you're stepping on Take your their only shade for rounding when you round it. I love it. 10:55 It well, it's fine. Everybody, this is Paul's in my second fight ever. 10:59 Yeah, of of how to round math for tariffs. Yeah, the tariffs when when you sent me the thing earlier, I was like, I was about to say like, 11:07 let's just get the doctor scientist thing. And then so tariffs, So what? 11:14 And how they affect us as guitar players. So how do we get around it? 11:20 Does this mean like we have to travel to these countries and buy them in country? I suppose that gets around it. 11:29 I mean. I'll be real, I the more I hear about tariffs, the less I think I under. 11:34 Well, well, OK, I think I do understand how they work. It seems pretty straightforward. 11:39 You just pay more. And I've been laughing a bit about how as a as a person who grew up with the Star Wars prequel 11:48 Movies, OK, the like premise at the beginning of those movies is there's a trade war that like starts everything like the. 11:55 Trade Federation Clone Wars, It's. Not no. 11:57 The Trade Federation is blocking Naboo from the trade routes and there's putting high tariffs on everything and they're starving out the people. 12:04 And I saw some people recently cause like those movies got a ton of Flack for being too political or like this would never happen. 12:12 And someone was like, we're literally living Star Wars Episode 1 right now. And I was like, OK, that's not quite what we're living, but we are having a trade in our trade 12:20 dispute. When in our world now? 12:23 Who's going to save us from the trade dispute? By being Who's Natalie Portman? 12:26 Who's going to bring the Jedi in? Is what you're asking me. 12:29 I don't think that's what I'm asking. You that, But who's Natalie Portman? 12:32 I mean, Natalie Portman exists in our reality. So Natalie, she does Natalie Portman. 12:36 That's true. So you're what you're asking is who is the person who's going to bring in peace makers to try to 12:42 stop the war from happening? That's a great question because I don't know the answer. 12:46 Thank you for for telling me my question. Yeah, I what you were what you were asking me, and you lost your own train of thought. 12:54 Yeah, I, I, although I, I chuckled because there's quite a few people pointing out that Star Wars Episode 1 is very relevant to trade wars right now because we're doing trade wars and just making 13:04 things more expensive. I would ask who Jar Jar Binks is, but I think we all know. 13:09 Yeah, we'll just leave that as it is. Yeah. 13:11 But yeah, I think what I should be doing is like, since my work does require some travel, I'll just just tell me where we need to go to avoid the tariffs. 13:21 Yeah, that's a good idea. I like that plan. 13:24 Oh, see, see, see if we can find a way for you to get to Canada sometime soon. I think it's. 13:28 Just like a couple hours away from us. Yeah, it's true. 13:31 So, all right, so that's not what I want to talk about today. Yeah, you wanted to talk about the thing we always touch on and. 13:37 Always touch on. I don't even know what angle you want to take on it, You said. 13:40 I want to talk about this. I know right? 13:41 Because it it popped up on one of the Facebook comment thready things today. Oh, good. 13:45 OK. So yesterday, I guess we're recording today, Tuesday, March 11th. 13:50 But yesterday we dropped the Walrus Chi versus Microcosm and just kind of like how I could the Chi come close to the microcosm blah, blah, blah, blah. 14:02 And one of the things that popped out, it was kind of like somebody has the Chi, they love it. And then just it said like, but I don't use it in stereo. 14:10 I only use it in mono and that kind of got me thinking to some of our conversations about mono versus stereo. 14:17 Like, you know me, I am a fiend for two things, germanium and stereo. Oh my God, if somebody could come out with a germanium stereo pedal. 14:25 I'm sure they exist. I mean, you just do yeah anyway, Bunny trail. 14:29 But I I do I love stereo. I love it. 14:32 I love it. I love it. 14:33 And to me, like I'm not interested in any of these modulations or time based effects that don't sound good in stereo. 14:39 It has to sound good in in in stereo, like great. Case in point for me is the Earthquaker Devices Avalanche Run V2. 14:48 I love that pedal. I love the concept of that pedal. 14:53 The reverb is fantastic. I hate the delay because it's just mono, dual mono, mind you, but it's just mono. 14:59 There's no movement there. So every time I get that pedal to try and say like, I'm going to keep it, I love it. 15:05 I get to that point. I'm like, no. 15:08 I think we in an earlier episode talked about how many times you've had that. Pedal, I know it's like a lot 4 or five if they ever if V3 comes out and it's you know, got MIDI and 15:22 stereo delays, I'm all over it. Yeah, Golden. 15:25 I'm absolutely Jamie, let's do it. Let's do a pedal collaborative version of it. 15:30 I'm in and I don't think it's, it's not really a secret nor does it need to be you, Paul, like let's talk about you with some delay or sorry, mono versus stereo. 15:43 Like you got yourself the LVX and love it. And then you went on this little journey of putting into your live rig and not loving it so much 15:53 because it wasn't, it wasn't doing the same things that you were wanting from a mono perspective as it does in stereo. 16:01 Yeah, yeah. And I can't, I don't think we actually talked about this. 16:04 We've talked about it in real life, but not on podcast. But yeah, podcast. 16:08 Is real life. Yeah, yeah, I guess it is the LVX though. 16:13 Yeah, the same way that Natalie Portman exists in reality. The podcast is real life. 16:17 The we should. Get her on the podcast. 16:19 I would love to talk to Natalie Portman. So yes, the LVX in stereo sounds. 16:26 I mean, anyone who's followed us has listened to an LVX video we've done at some point. It sounds awesome. 16:32 No problems with the LVX, It sounds great. When I started playing live again and put the LVX in the slot my timeline used to occupy, my actual 16:41 pedal board for playing shows instantly felt like I was missing like half the pedal. It did not translate to summing to mono in a way that was like pleasing. 16:54 It still sounded good, mind you, because, but in ways where, like I remember texting you, I was like, dude, the LVX in mono does not sound like it's not it's not robust. 17:05 It's like not giving me anything and and then trying to like figure out like I had to play a bit with the mix and like turning the mix up a lot to get it to give me the same sound I get out of it 17:14 in stereo. Where it the timeline, which is now back on my live set up. 17:21 It honestly, the timeline doesn't sound that different in stereo than it does in mono to me. Sure, the timeline just kind of sounds like the timeline, which we've also discussed how there's 17:29 some like warm things that happen in that magic there that are both good and bad in a setup. But it was it was odd because I mean I'm not carrying two amps around or counting on anybody having 17:41 a stereo set up to play ampless live anywhere. So it was one of those situations of just like, well, I guess the timeline's going on my rig because 17:49 I need a mono set up because I can't deal with like missing half of the sound. And I, I often, so I inversely of you, generally, if a pedal doesn't sound good in mono, it doesn't 18:01 stick around for me because if I'm plugging into an amp and it doesn't sound good, like that is a problem for me. 18:09 It's a big problem for me because I, I tend to try to find. So if there's two, there's two things for me where that comes into play. 18:16 Pedals that I'm going to play with on my pedal board, they have to sound good in mono. If they sound good in stereo, that's a plus. 18:22 Pedals that are for my synthesizer setup, they have to be stereo and sound great because I'm not going to run a mono out. 18:28 Like if my synthesizer is stereo out, it's not converting to mono. That's not happening. 18:33 So I have like kind of two worlds I live within, which is why the LVX now lives on my desk, which has been delightful to have as a way to shape synthesizers. 18:40 And or when I'm just like doing guitar stuff on my desk too. It's like throw the LVX and the stereo setup. 18:47 But yeah, I have another funny try to go on by when I let you continue your thought. I think that you know, so, so this so this comment, I know I responded with a like, it doesn't 19:00 matter if you don't use stereo. It doesn't matter if it sounds good in stereo to you, meaning like so many guys that are and gals 19:10 and others that are that are playing live and going mono, like by all means, go mono, do what works best for you. 19:19 And there's you don't have to sit and be like, well, I don't have I don't do stereo. So what does it matter? 19:24 You can still get a stereo pedal and just run it in mono. That's fine as long as it sounds good. 19:28 And then the vice versa is true. Like, you know, like for me, like granted, I'm just playing at my home studio AKA guest room, but 19:35 it's not like it's like, that's OK if it's a delay or reverb or modulation, that's mono. And I'm like, well, screw that, I don't want it because it's just mono. 19:45 That's OK because that's what works for me and the way that I play. And I think that was kind of the basis for all of this and why I want to just chat real quick and 19:52 kind of get your thoughts. It's almost like in some ways bringing this to the Signal Chain series where we just kind of talk 19:57 about some of the basics on what to understand. And, you know, I think the bottom line of it is like, you do you get get what sounds good to you 20:09 have your reasons for it. Because then if someone's like, Oh yeah, you know, dude, like I don't, I don't like mess around with 20:14 stereo 'cause like I, I always just play mono. Like, OK, great. 20:18 Like, yeah, that's great. That's fine. 20:20 Yeah, I've played the Chi both ways and it sounds good both ways. Yeah, yeah, the cheese specifically, like, I don't know if you noticed this, I know we were texting 20:30 about it, but like, it's got the four different effects algorithms in there. It got the chorus, the delay, the reverb and the granular. 20:38 They're all stereo, but they're not all widely spread on the stereo field. I think like the granular effect is very wide, but like the chorus is not that wide and. 20:51 No, I think they did it well. When you put it to stereo, it's wider than the Tri chorus. 20:56 Right. But I mean, I guess where I'm going with it is that like it's not like the Mako series where you can 21:02 adjust the stereo spreaded thing certain those algorithms for the most part are predetermined as how wide they are. 21:08 I think Walter did a great job doing that because like, you're not the the different effects aren't fighting each other for the stereo field, but. 21:15 Yeah, I think we might have talked about this on the episode when we talked about the Chi when it came out. 21:20 But in general, I think that something they did with both the spread and then also like the mix of four effects in one pedal. 21:28 They never something about that pedal that I really dig is they never get smushy like together like they I I almost feel like to the point of you saying this is not super spread is the course isn't 21:39 super spread, but I feel like the delay and the verb are more spread. So it's like they actually occupy different places in your spread when you're listening to it in 21:47 stereo, which is cool. Yeah, it's. 21:50 A great design. If I don't I I have no physics data to other than just my ears hearing it. 21:57 That it feels like they each kind of have a different lane of width they live within that allows you to hear things more completely and in a pleasing musical fashion instead of just creating noise, 22:08 right? So but you're but but in mono there is no spread. 22:12 And it's not bad. It still sounds good. 22:14 It's a well designed pedal, which I say that's why I said it's like the spread and the mix. I think they did a good job right? 22:20 So, so I mean, yeah, from your standpoint, do you have any takeaways for people who are like looking at something that is either mono or stereo or not mono or stereo and how to make that decision? 22:34 Like what, what should I mean, there's because there's so many things out there for people to be choosing from. 22:40 How do How do we know? How do we decide? 22:42 What's Paul's take? Yeah, well, we talked about this a bit on the one episode when someone asked like how to build a 22:48 board. That's like, how do I know if I should build mono or stereo? 22:51 And it's like, look at how you play. Do you play live more and you know that you're not going to have a situation where you can drag 2 22:57 amps around or you know, you're always playing where there's not going to be a stereo PA set up because that's pretty rare. 23:05 And then secondly, the other piece of that is this is like a very practical, especially if you're like a starting out building a pedal board is like what cables do you have to work with? 23:18 Trying to figure out if you have enough patch cables Because something something I was just going to throw into this as something that's been a new trend and I was actually just with the the newest 23:28 demo dash pedals is the chorus is actually like true stereo in that you have a left and right out as opposed to the T120 Deluxe V2 was ATRS stereo out. 23:44 And that's something to consider about your setup. How do you like what's going into what, what's going into like, 'cause I know actually when we did 23:50 my spooky board at Halloween time, I talked about how I had like I had to start stereo at a certain point 'cause I wanted it to go stereo and not cut back anywhere or something. 23:59 And just figuring out like what you want to go into what, how that's going to play out. I know there's like, you know, where's the looper go on your board? 24:07 Do you have a stereo looper? Do you have a mono looper? 24:09 Just figuring out what works for your setup is how you figure out what you need to do. It is funny that this is something that comes up often though, because I like, I've seen like posts 24:19 recently where like newer guitar players online, we'll say like, what's the second output for? And, and because it is something that like, I remember even when I first got pedals that had both, I 24:31 was like, I don't really know how to do this. How does this work? 24:34 I, I plug in 1/4 inch at the end. So how does it work? 24:38 And I feel like just trying to figure out what your setup is is the easiest way to figure out like, you know, how you're going to design your whole signal chain of is this a mono board, A stereo 24:47 board, A mono that goes to stereo? God forbid a stereo board that sums to mono depending on the situation. 24:54 Well. You know, I was actually just thinking that and I was thinking that, you know, a lot of people have 25:00 an HX stop, for example, or some other amp SIM device and like HX stop being at the end of the chain. 25:12 Yes, 'cause I, I like running my effects, my wet effects into an amp, not using it as an effects loop. 25:17 That's my personal thing, but that's just me. It's not right or wrong, which is me. 25:21 But like I could have a fully stereo rig, be jamming at home practicing, have my headphones in and get everything out of that full stereo rig. 25:30 And then if I'm going to a gig, I just plug the one thing in like the the left mono out and now it's all it's all mono. 25:38 I would still need to make sure that it sums sums well like that. Some pedals don't sum well. 25:43 Some pedals don't sum well. So that that is the that is the aspect of it. 25:48 And then you're right, like figure out what your playing style is, what your rig is like, where you're playing. 25:53 Make sure your pedals sound good to you like that. And if you know if it's mono de mono, mono, stereo, stereo de mono, whatever the case is, just go 26:02 with what works for you. What What brings the most musicality and creativity from you? 26:07 That's a great. That's a great way to put it. 26:09 What brings the most musicality and interest to your own ears? Yeah, that's the yeah. 26:15 I don't have anything else to add other than just figure out what works for you, what sounds good to you. 26:19 And also make sure you have enough patch cables. Because I've also, even as a person who has tons of stuff, sometimes I run into a situation where I 26:26 don't have the right length patch cable when I design a board set up. And then I'm really annoyed and I have to figure out, do I buy another cable right now? 26:32 Do I quickly solder another cable right now? Do I have enough George Els to solderlessly do this? 26:37 And it's it's a pain in the ass. It is. 26:39 It is. And I will say if you're running a stereo rig for impedance matching, you probably want to have the 26:46 same length output cables between your board and your amps. Because if you have like a 10 foot on one side and a 50 foot on the other. 26:53 It's going to sound not good. Yeah. 26:56 That's a whole that's almost sort of a whole another thing. We can talk about that. 27:01 The length of your cable and how it affects your tone, which is very funny how much it actually does. 27:05 A lot matters. Quite a bit yes, I do have a non related to this guitar. 27:10 Guitar pedals. That was today and I usually don't do this, but I really liked the username for this, it was Baba 27:17 Yaga Junior. Baba Yaga Junior. 27:20 Yeah, just like that. And the question was, what is your least favorite common guitar pedal effect? 27:27 And then the body of the text says, and why is it tremolo? Which made me laugh. 27:31 But what is your least favorite common guitar pedal effect? Alan Go. 27:37 And I can't say fuzz because that's not true anymore. I mean, flanger is probably up there for me and ones that I don't like. 27:45 I remember when I got like the the line 6, MMM 4. And I think, I mean, I had it for like a day because I got that section and I'm like, it actually 27:57 does sound like a jet and I don't like it. I don't know. 27:59 There's too much movement there. Flanger. 28:01 Flanger can be applied in very specific ways, and I also feel like I saw this actually on the thread and it made me laugh because I feel this way about several effects types, but flanger is 1 where I 28:11 feel like it sounds cooler when other people use it than when I do. And that could very well be like this, could be something that like other players know how. 28:18 To because like implemented in their playing style that right. Because how much of it was like seventies, 80's rock, you know, that era of which I didn't really 28:28 grow up listening to? Yeah. 28:30 I always like the Haim sisters managed to make Flanger sound cool in their guitar tones. Moheim is they're just really cool. 28:38 They have a new They have a new song coming out this week, and he's single for the new album. Yeah. 28:44 So. All right. 28:44 So Flanger is your answer though. I think so. 28:46 I think I I can stick with that. I mean, there's a bunch of stuff that stuff that goes into that category for me, but. 28:51 I I think that's good about you. My answer is going to be a bit surprising I think. 29:00 Why is it Trimalo? No, my answer is actually one that I think is over saturation has caused it for me. 29:06 OK, which is I'm just kind of tired of shimmer reverb. Oh. 29:14 Yeah, Shimmer reverb is 1 where I'm like, it doesn't work for me anymore. Shimmer reverb, I'm tired of it. 29:19 I feel like especially 'cause like, I mean, now we've reviewed quite a few Shimmer reverbs in our time of doing at the channel and played them. 29:29 I feel like it almost to me just immediately tone prints it to a certain era when I hear shimmer reverb. 29:38 Yeah, Strom and Blue Sky V1. Yes, that and and all of the pedals that have come out since that sort of try to sound like that or 29:45 do a new take on it. Now mind you, there are some great octave shifting reverbs out there. 29:49 Yeah, I'm quite a fan, as noted on several episodes of the Dark Star V3, which has the octave shifting. 29:56 That's a little different than shimmer, the way it works, in my opinion. Right. 30:00 But I feel like pedals that are dedicatedly shimmer reverbs have like just worn down my brain. And I feel like I am like, someone comes out with it. 30:08 I'm like, I don't want that, Yeah. I think I think about that and I'm fully agreeing with you. 30:16 I honestly like that the shimmer styles I I try and stay away from out of the Mercury XII think. And I'm not blaming Striman, excuse me, I'm not blaming Striman for it like that. 30:31 I to me, when the blue sky was out, that was mind blowing on to my playing and what I was doing and nothing else had kind of done that. 30:40 I think it is all of the the ones that have come after the fact trying to capture that space and then doing it in a worse way. 30:49 Like I'm thinking of like the Moorishenburg, which I know I've knocked on this this podcast before. It's like I I tried to get into that just because it was cheaper and it just like it sounded like 31:01 metal nails on a metal chalkboard. Yeah, a lot of the a lot of them I feel like do sound that way, like exception to the rule, but even 31:09 I don't use it that way a lot is the collision devices Black hole Symmetry 1 is a shimmer reverb, but you can actually completely turn it off as well. 31:16 Yeah, well, the collision devices crew, like they, they really go in into designing their stuff. Yeah, there there's are an exception where I like they seem musical and interesting and they seem to 31:28 have like parameter control that lets you do it. But yeah, a lot of the ones that exclusively book themselves as a shimmer reverb, like the Shim 31:36 verb, there's others that are escaping. I know the Hall of Fame has a shimmer mode now because like basically every pedal after Strieman 31:43 made that like ubiquitously a sound like did it. Yeah. 31:48 And it just. Yeah, I'm much more fond of on the Mercury X the like this octave down ones actually like where it 31:56 like pitches down at the end of a reverb because it creates this like falling into a cavern. Feeling. 32:01 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, which is more interesting to me than shining up to heaven. 32:05 It's. Because of your black soul. 32:07 Black Metal Soul. But yes, actually I'll do another teaser thing of things to talk about, but I I'm going to have like 32:15 I think my own Mercury X preset pack soon because I have like 10 reverbs that I. Dude. 32:21 I didn't even tell you that this is news to you on this. This isn't awesome. 32:24 I'd I really ended up making a bunch of cool new ones that are like, not necessarily like our typical emulation of another reverb sound. 32:32 I'm just making like sort of soundscapey things that were like unique to my own brain, some of which I pulled from individual reverbs that I've used in the past now that I have become a Mercury X guy. 32:46 But yeah, I have quite a few. So that's awesome. 32:49 Yeah. I mean bring this. 32:50 Into a Patreon near you there. You go patreon.com/pedal collaborative. 32:53 I mean, at some point I think the emulation is going to wane because there there could be a point where we've done everything right. 33:01 Yes, we got to do some unique stuff and I yeah, I've just already started in that with the timeline ones we're going to have soon and I'll have to have you approve my Mercury X ones, so. 33:10 I'll approve. I don't just, I just have to rename them. 33:14 Yeah, we sent, we sent back and forth and people don't know that process either, the Q, the QA process of. 33:18 Does this actually sound as good as I think it? Does, oh, the, the QC, the quality control, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 33:23 Or like when I'm on a plane to LA and you're like, where are those presets you said you're going to send me? 33:28 And I'm like on my hard drive at home. Yeah, it's not with you. 33:31 Really bummed. Really bummed about that. 33:32 You still need to send me those. I'll dude, I know, I know. 33:36 Well, I can't say like once I get the Inzox back from you. It's in the mail right now. 33:41 I'm about 8-8 or nine presets in. I'll finish the pack out there and then we'll have that to release. 33:47 And those are all original. They're not really emulating anything because how can you right now? 33:54 Yeah, well, I mean, it's so unique. We do have some ideas. 33:57 There, I know we do, I know we do and we'll get there. But I think I have to learn it first because like the UI on the Inzox, I don't know if you noticed 34:04 this. Like while it is the same as the LBX Mercury X, the engine itself is completely different. 34:11 So it to me, it's not adding like you don't get a delay in reverb and you're adding, you know, different parameters to it. 34:17 Like it's, it's a synth that you're building a synth. There's a lot of it. 34:22 It's like a wave table synth, but there's also like subtractive synthesis in there too. Yeah, it's pretty cool. 34:29 I I mean, I'll say it live on the podcast, I told you I like the Enzo XA lot more as a synthesizer than as a guitar synth pedal. 34:37 Yeah, I think I may have determined that I don't like guitar synth pedals, even the nicest ones, because that is the cream, cream of the crop of them. 34:46 And every time I plug a guitar in and do a synth emulation, I'm like, I could just be playing a synth. 34:51 And it keeps being that way for from the original Enzo. I've tried a few of the Boss ones. 34:58 I tried the mono one that I sent to you in the box of the Enzo X. They all sound cool and don't get me wrong the Enzo X sounds awesome but like it's one of those 35:08 things where I'm just like why would I play a guitar like a keyboard when I could just play a keyboard Now not everyone who plays guitar also plays since. 35:17 So if you wanted the sound and you didn't play the other thing or own the other thing, totally makes sense. 35:21 For me personally, I remember when we were texting about it, I was like, OK, this thing sounds awesome, but I really want to plug a MIDI keyboard into it and just play like a synthesizer. 35:29 I don't want to put like have my guitar become the input. Right, which is kind of how like what I decided to do in terms of name the naming conventions 35:37 because I had to figure a different naming convention convention for presets for the Enzo X. So there are ones that are just a mono synth, ones that are Poly synth, ones that are dry synths, 35:50 meaning that like you play guitar into them, that dry signal coming in is still on the output. And then one that I've made with or with the into X as a synth, meaning no guitar, like a MIDI 36:02 controller. So that'll all be explained as we get there. 36:04 I know we were wanting to keep this short, so we'll wrap this up. Thank you everybody for hanging out with us. 36:10 It was a pleasure as always. Join us next week when our special guest is Jar Jar Binks and Natalie Portman and we talk more about 36:16 tariffs. More about tariffs yes Have a good week, everyone. 36:20 We'll talk to you soon. I feel like there's something else I wanted to say that was like, you know, oh, oh, vote on Clone 36:26 Wars. We'll have more Clone Wars. 36:27 Oh yeah, but. On Clone Wars, we're in the final four. 36:31 I think I called out one of them. I'm just going to say this real quick to wrap up here, which ones we're looking at. 36:36 So we've got, I believe the matchups are the Clone KTR versus the Voyager Mark 2, OK, and the Nordvong sig one versus the origin effects Halcyon. 36:48 Oh man. So we got some good matchups, a lot of a lot of tweakability. 36:53 I'm just going to say the format we're using for this. So last time it was the same riff in a loop. 36:57 This time we're we're still going to have the same riff in a loop. But instead of the pedal being set sort of the way I set it to sort of be emulating off of the KTR, 37:05 we're going to do 3 different sounds. It's going to be 0 gain, Max drive, then 50% gain, then Max gain for each pedal. 37:15 So you sort of get a spectrum of what it can do as a drive. Nice. 37:20 And then I have some ideas for the final round of whichever 2 pedals get there, but I won't share. This this gain sweep, let's let's say thank you to. 37:28 Yes, 1981 Adventures Matt Hoop suggested that, jumped into the comments and said now give me one of these where it does 0 gain to Max gain and we just had to add 50 on our own so. 37:38 I love it because like he didn't have a pedal in the in the shootout and he was still. Doing this conversation to them which was fun. 37:43 That's great. Yeah. 37:44 All right, guys. All right. 37:46 We'll see you all next week. Bye, bye, bye. © 2025 Spotify AB Legal Privacy Cookies