Episode 28 – How to Build Meris LVX Preset + FREE PRESETS

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0:08 Welcome to the Pedal Collaborative podcast. We're so glad you're here. 0:22 Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another week of the Pedal Collaborative Podcast. 0:27 I'm your host, Paul, and I'm here with Alan. Hi. 0:30 How's it going? It is going man, how are you? 0:34 I'm extremely self-conscious right now because you just told me to stop being mouth noises, but that's all I want to do because you brought it up to my attention. 0:40 Again, stop doing it. So we're on the we're live now. 0:43 We can't make this is not that's for. That's for pedal collaborative after hours when you make noises. 0:48 After dark. Yeah, after dark, whatever we're calling it something something of that nature. 0:53 Yeah. But I feel as if before we get into anything, we do have to release a retraction. 0:59 We do our lack of information that we, I mean, to be fair, as we, I think I said on the episode that I don't understand tariffs. 1:08 I I do understand in theory tariffs, but in practice, they seem to make no sense. And then we learned that tariffs don't apply under a certain dollar amount. 1:21 Well, here's here's what happened. You know, we, we talked about, you know, doctor scientist had released a limited batch of their 1:29 their tremalescence pedal and I had reached out to Ryan there and been like, Dang, I want that. And so we're kind of chatting back and through back and forth about it. 1:38 And he wait. Did you buy it by the way? 1:40 Well, not yet, not yet. Here's here's how here's how it went down and I'm going to, I'm going to read the thread. 1:45 OK, so you know. Yeah, one for our listeners as well, who might not. 1:49 Understand how this works. So this is how we're. 1:51 Changing all the time, so. He posted a story about it. 1:54 I responded with a drooling face emoji. Because, you know, that's what I was feeling inside. 2:00 And he's like, hey, oh, Alan, nice to hear from you, Sir. Sorry, Ryan, I'm actually reading your, your our, our thread out loud. 2:06 I hope you don't mind. Thanks for checking out that post. 2:09 I did sell those five trim bundles, but was going to do another round for some pals that missed out. Happy to add you in there too, if you'd like. 2:15 The bundles cost X plus shipping. We'll get them ready next week. 2:19 Thanks again. And so then I said, let me check my wallet. 2:23 I really, really want and then assuming the new dump tariff is part of the shipping. So at that point I'm wondering like, OK, the, the price he gave plus shipping. 2:33 And I'm, I'm not telling the price that he gave because I that he told me, because I don't know if he's giving me like giving us like a couple bucks back for it or. 2:39 If it's. Oh yeah, because. 2:41 I don't know. I don't. 2:42 I actually have no idea what any of this stuff costs. Right. 2:44 Well, yeah, because it just shows up at your house when I buy it. So actually I don't think he, he, I don't know, doesn't matter. 2:49 I just don't know what his deal is with this if it was public pricing. So I'm not, I'm not sharing that anyway, at that point. 2:55 I'm like, at this point I'm I'm saying to myself, like, OK, well, the price he gave me is not bad, definitely worth it to me. 3:01 And if if shipping is just like the standard 20 bucks, that's fine. But if he's also wisely not including any of the, you know, customs type stuff into that price and 3:12 you know, that's just, that's something he can't control. But I want to know that because I don't want to add 25% to the price. 3:20 So, you know, I, you know, I had said assuming that the new dump tariff is part of the shipping and he's like, he's like, well, thanks again for checking it out. 3:25 The shipping is Canada Post with tracking flat weight, flat rate, 20 bucks you. And then here's the part that that matters here. 3:32 You won't have to worry about the tariffs on this. Americans can receive a package from Canada valued up to 800 U.S. dollars without paying the tariff. 0:00 It's called the de minimis exemption. 3:44 So no worries about the extra fees or yeah, no worries there about extra fees. Thumbs up. 3:50 And I'm like, oh hell yeah, count me in. So you know, that's that's where we where we stand on that. 3:56 So apparently. Apparently it doesn't matter as long as you buy. 4:00 I guess in this case you can't buy like too many pedals 'cause then it'll go over. Right. 4:04 Which is, which is kind of where we were at with the Dimodex. We. 4:08 Talked about the Dimodex we. Would have gone. 4:10 Over bundle of things that would have gone over that. So, yeah. 4:14 So, yeah, if you're just buying a one off what from any of our good Canadian friends, those Canucks up there, if it's under 800 U.S. dollars, it looks like that is exempted from these tariffs. 4:25 So use that wisely. You don't want it to be over that. 4:29 Don't bundle it with like a whole bunch of Canadian steel that you might want to ship over. I would. 4:35 I would not do that. Do do try to bundle it with a whole bunch of of Canadian energy because then you might be helping us 4:42 all out. But right, that's don't do that actually I think. 4:46 Right. So I mean just buy like $750 US of Canadian pedals at a time. 4:53 Yes, that's that's the solution. You're correct, yes. 4:57 So there it's, it's a retraction, but it's also, you know, it's we're learning, right? We are learning as this process goes. 5:03 I think we're all trying to figure out these damn tariffs. I liked learning. 5:06 It was nice to know. I mean, I was excited to find out we were wrong. 5:09 So I that's, that's one thing about me. I'm totally OK being wrong. 5:13 Especially when it's in this type of thing where it's like, Oh yeah, no, pedals are cheaper actually. 5:18 Right. Well. 5:20 Well, not cheaper, but cheaper. Not expensive, Not more expensive. 5:23 There we go. But do you see what that OK, so do you see what you would we just did here? 5:27 You're now adding the value of the tariffs to the item. And so think saying that like a, a, a item sub tariff is cheaper, which it does. 5:36 You are paying less than you are, but it's it's actually not less than you would have a month ago. And therein lies, I'm not even sure what that means. 5:47 I, I had, I had no thought to finish that. But yeah, you're right, I did. 5:49 I did some, I did some. What I think what they call that is economics. 5:54 That there's no way to know what that is. Yeah. 5:57 I can't. It's not copyable. 5:59 Yes. Oh my gosh. 6:00 Nice. Well, thank you for helping with the retraction that I was trying to spit out. 6:06 You're quite welcome. It was, I feel like this was actually the same day after we recorded and I was like, oh man, should 6:11 we delete the episode? And like you know. 6:13 Whatever after, it was the. Retraction next week no one no one's going to be mad at us from like actually it turns out pedals 6:20 aren't going to be more expensive from Canada just. Everyone's like Alan, you always say to Fact Check as we did, and you're wrong. 6:26 Yeah, except nobody did any fact checking. We did our own. 6:29 So that's right, 'cause we, 'cause we're a man of honor who, you know, we want to keep ourselves accountable to being correct about stuff. 6:38 That's correct. That's correct. 6:39 And if it if it involves us having to buy a pedal from doctor scientists to prove what's going on, it's it's the sacrifice we're willing to make. 100% So with that, we've printed our attraction. 6:51 I wanted to get into something today that you and I have talked about and we talked about it personally for my own interests of how you do this. 7:00 This is more of like a me interviewing you episode, less of us talking about stuff. So if you don't like listening to Alan talk more, turn this off now. 7:08 If you do like listening to Alan talk more, you're in for a treat. But so. 7:13 I love listening to Alan talk. Yes, for those for those who follow us in every way that is Patreon, YouTube, Instagram, etcetera. 7:21 You will know that a big part of of kind of what we do and how we collaborate with people to use our namesake. 7:29 Oh, look at that is we create presets for specifically right now just the Maris X series pedals, which is the LVX Mercury X and soon to be our first Enzo X preset pack. 7:40 And then we talked about that a couple weeks ago and you had all of those pedals before me. Thus you started making presets before me. 7:49 I've I've thrown a few into the batches here and there. As I have. 7:54 But it's one of those things where I have always been very curious like how do you go about doing that? 8:01 So I want to frame this question. I think let's just because there's three pedals and they're all very different, let's just focus on 8:08 the one we've had the most time with, which is the LVX. And so when we typically are making presets, we have some presets. 8:17 I mean, it's a little more, we have some presets that are just cool sounds we found in the pedals. And then a thing that we spend a lot of time doing because we also love doing it is going ahead and 8:30 taking a classic pedal or a brand new pedal and seeing if the LVX can replicate it or the Mercury X or NOx in the future. 8:38 But So what I wanted to ask you, Alan, to go into your mind palace a bit and kind of go through your process of what do you do to build a preset? 8:50 Like what's what's your process? Where does it start? 8:52 Is there a specific module you start on? Usually what? 8:55 Just walk us through an LVX patch of making a delay that you're making a delay that's emulating something specifically here. 9:03 OK, I can do that. I probably should have planned ahead and had an LVX in this by having it in front of me and looking 9:08 at it and scrolling around, but that's OK, I can do this by memory. Actually, you know what I can pop it up on? 9:13 Yeah, pull up a predator. Dang it, now people have to like, watch me do things or listen, no? 9:24 It's fine. It's fine. 9:25 I'll, I'll just talk. I mean, I, I do apologize. 9:27 I did just come up with this idea like minutes before we were recording because I had another idea and I threw that one out. 9:33 Yeah, no, it's fantastic. It's fine. 9:35 I I love. It well, and to be fair, we also, this is something we, we've talked about is like we wanted to do 9:39 an episode on this because for those who want to support us and become patrons and download the presets as we can build them, that's awesome. 9:46 But also, I want to, you know, do a little content for folks who might want to try building their own or digging into doing something. 9:52 We've, I mean, we've even had listeners send us presets that have become part of packs because they're like, Hey, I took this and I took, I saw what you were doing and I made this and we've been 10:01 hooked up, you know, made, made little deals back and forth. So. 10:06 You got Predator up now? No, not predator up, but I have the manual up. 10:10 Oh, oh, OK, yeah, that makes. Sense I just got a new computer, so I haven't transferred everything anyway, OK, so you want to know 10:16 how I make a, a preset? And I, I think like the first thing I kind of start with is what is the end goal? 10:24 If I'm making a, you know, making a, a, an original preset or an emulation, I kind of approach it differently. 10:31 So let's approach it as an emulation. So let's take here's here's a great example. 10:38 When I was making the DM one O 1 pack that is available to our annual. It's like a, it's like a gift to our annual subscribers. 10:46 That's a great example because I would start with whatever, you know, the original patch is that I wanted to try and emulate Adm one O 1. 10:56 It's an analogue delay pedal. So right there I, I went to the, just the standard, the BBD as, as the way to start. 11:05 So with the delay type, it's digital, it's BBD or it's magnetic. In this particular one, because I'm going analog, it's not a tape delay. 11:13 I start with BBD. That's pretty easy. 11:16 From there, I go to the delay structure and I kind of think to myself, what like, what is the structure that, that I'm, that I'm trying to emulate and what do I want to go with? 11:27 I usually start with standard in most instances. I don't do the multi tap, multi filter the Poly sometimes so I'm and and rarely the reverse. 11:40 Again, it's unless I'm trying to make something very specific. So the standard and the series are the two that I start with the most and I try and get there as 11:48 close as possible with those. There are times when I want, I really want some of the interplay between the two, some various delay 11:56 taps. And so I'll go to the Poly, which is a dual version of the Poly moon structure or the multi tap, 12:03 which is, you know, 8 tap delays spread across two sides. So it's like it's four on each side. 12:10 But again which I. Believe is also from the Poly moon with the the multi tap structure. 12:14 I think so just. With more control. 12:16 Yeah, but I those are pretty specific. The multi filter. 12:19 I don't really use that often honestly, unless I'm trying to get something really weird and wacky. It's a great one, but it's not, not my not my go to. 12:26 So once I have the delay typeset and the structure set, that's when I really start to fine tune and tweak the tone and overall sound of that particular delay. 12:38 Kind of what I do next is I, I kind of, I kind of work on the dynamics. So if I need to have a compressor compressor in there to kind of boost what I'm doing, I'll throw 12:52 the compressor in there or a swell if I'm wanting to swell it in. If, if I'm really wanting to get, you know, some more reverb esque sounds, that's I use the 13:03 diffusion module there in the dynamic or the setting in the in the dynamics category. And, and really I just go module to module. 13:11 So after dynamics, I go to preamp and start figuring out if I want to throw any of of that in. I usually like adding the two preamp to the, the pre plus dry and having the whole entire thing kind 13:23 of warmed up like that. And then it base basically like if I'm I'll, I'll use the transistor or the op amp really to kind of 13:31 adjust some of the, the tunnel qualities of the delay structure to match whatever I'm going after. And it's, it's a matter of finding exactly what that signal is, what, how much, how much gain. 13:45 Often times I'm adding gain but lowering level so as not to OverDrive things that are like to to send into oscillation and figuring out where in the signal path I want to put it, whether it's like 13:58 dry, like pre plus dry, or just pre. Yeah, be very careful in the feedback loop putting preamps because it will run away really quickly. 14:08 A good tip though is if you don't want, if you want to get like almost running away but don't want to run away, go back to the dynamics category and throw a limiter in the feedback loop. 14:16 That will keep it from going too far out of control. But. 14:21 Little little tip there. Little tip. 14:23 Little tip. And then usually I skip the filter category to last and I'll explain why in a second. 14:30 I'll then jump to the pitch and if it's a, if it's a setting that, you know, I want to throw pitches in there, if it's, you know, octaves up or fits up or whatever the case is, I'll I'll do some of 14:40 that. I tend to stay away from the harmony setting because that's set to specific keys and I don't always 14:46 play in the same keys. So I, you know, don't, don't kind of kind of shift away from that one, but put some pitch in there 14:53 as I want again, finding where in the, the the signal chain I want to want to put it to get the most. 15:00 And then the last thing is I'll add some modulation. So like for the DM one O 1, I threw in some chorus in there just to kind of give it that, that warm 15:08 movement that you get out of analog, you know, analog vibes and BBDS. And so I'll figure out what modulation I want in there and go for there And then. 15:18 So then we're like, we have the basic structure of it. And then I'm, I ask myself, and this is where you and I differ completely in how we play is the 15:26 filter category. I'll throw a filter in there to get the tone the way that I personally want it. 15:34 And then I'll send it to you when it's all done. And you typically change the filter because it doesn't work with your like the way that you like to 15:41 play and and the gear that you have. Whether it be dynamics or guitars or amps, right? 15:46 Yeah. So that's a good place. 15:49 The filter's a great way to do some final tweaking on the tone of whatever the whatever the, the preset you're making. 15:55 So if you want it to be darker, then adjust the filter to be darker. If you want it to be brighter, do that. 16:02 And it's a great final like EQ thing to do. And again, placing it in different places within the signal chain can give you some unique and 16:09 different categories of Sonic categories. So that's that's kind of where I go to get the basis of it right now. 16:18 There's been plenty of times where I've been mid process and really liked what I've come across. And again, the I chose Adm one O 1 for as the sample for this because this is what happened. 16:29 I was making one of the presets and then I ran into a sound I really, really liked, but it wasn't the sound that I was trying to emulate. 16:39 So I just I'm like, well, I like this. I'm going to save this as its own thing And then continue tweaking till I find what I want. 16:49 So to me, that kind of it opens up, especially with some of these probably more controlled delays out there and reverbs as we think about the Mercury X, the ones that have parameters that you can't 17:03 quite tweak. It's it's kind of like if you find us like with this particular example with the DM one O 1, I was 17:11 able to create a sound that I couldn't make on the DM one O 1, right. Yep, but it had the flavor of that of the DM, so it's actually included. 17:19 I forget which one it's called. Maybe it's called warm chirps or something like that. 17:22 It's in. It's in the is. 17:23 That what is that? How that came to be the one that has the cool hold modifier too. 17:29 Yeah, so or maybe it's dark grains. I again, I've made so many. 17:34 It's it's really, yeah, it you know, sometimes like when I'm scrolling through like maybe the modulations I get to a place like granulized, it's like this is not at all something that's in an 17:43 analogue delay, but I really like what it's doing here. So that starts the birth. 17:49 That's the birth place of a new original preset often times. So that's usually what I do and and kind of sit for some of the simpler delays slash reverbs. 18:00 That's the process in which I go to create one. I typically don't touch the modifiers until the very very end, and often times don't touch them at 18:10 all minus the hold modifier. I like. 18:12 I know you and I are trying to put hold modifiers in every single thing that we're doing just to give another another thing. 18:17 Yeah, I also, I've become, especially the more time I spend with the Mercury X, quite fond of the hold modifier as a way to not just make cool sounds that you can't make in a typical pedal. 18:30 Because not all pedals have. I mean, there are there are definitely pedals where you have like a secondary foot switch that's 18:35 like a favorite foot switch on Striman. But especially with reverbs when you have on the Mercury X2, where I'm very fond of the cathedra 18:43 setting with pitch up, pitch down on the trails. It's like one of my favorite settings for anything. 18:50 And just having the hold modifier switch the pitch from pitch up to pitch down or invert it. So you have like a completely different reverb just right there at your tap. 18:59 Yeah, very fun. Yeah. 19:03 So I mean, that's kind of it where like where I start and a couple of tips I think for people as they're creating something, I kind of alluded to it with the dynamics, like when you're adding in a 19:16 drive, you have both gain and level. So you can adjust, you need to adjust both. 19:23 You need to adjust the gain and the level. And sometimes they're inversely adjusted to keep the overall level where you want it. 19:31 Yes, you know, if you want more grit, you have to increase the gain, but that inherently increases the level. 19:38 So if you don't want to increase the level, you actually have to decrease the level as you increase the gain. 19:43 Yes, this is something I still fight with when I get into over tweaking mode with the LPXI know we've talked about it where one of the one of the first things I'll and I'll be candid on the 19:51 podcast. One of the first things I do when Alan sends me a preset is I just plug it in exactly as he made it. 0:00 And then almost inevitably I go and change the filter to the opposite direction of the way he has 20:02 it. Because for whatever reason, what the way that you filter and what comes out of your guitar, your 20:10 hands, your amp setup is like almost inversely how mine works as far as like I want a lot more like generally darker texture. 20:21 And I feel like yours come out too bright on my setup, which is interesting. I've also been playing a bit more with just not having a a filter at all on some of my presets and 20:34 just letting the delay do what it wants to do without filtering. Well, and often times I don't know if there's AI, don't know for you, but for me, I'm building 20:42 these. Excuse me, I'm building these with just the LVX or Mercury X in mind. 20:51 I'm not I don't have other, I don't often have other effects maybe besides like in a transparent OverDrive just to give me some thickness ahead to the game. 21:01 But I'm not adding extra effects into my process. And so that so that way, like the end result is someone gets one of these presets, they're not 21:13 missing anything because oh, I didn't have that. I don't know, I didn't have that Walrus Giuliana also playing, you know what I mean? 21:22 So I try and keep them all kind of turnkey within themselves. And I think adjustment is, is required sometimes, but also welcomed. 21:34 I think I, I, I make these so that people can just, I, I like to do the hard work for them so that they can then tweak to finality for themselves in exactly what they want. 21:44 I think you also just nailed something with that thought, which was often times when I am plugging in one of your presets, I am in a situation where I have like a signal chain and I just download the 21:55 preset to my LVX and see how it sounds. And for me, one of the first things I find is that often the filters don't the, the filter the way 22:03 you said it doesn't always play well with whatever else I have going on, Whether that be like the OverDrive that I have going into it or like sometimes like the chroma console effect behind it. 22:12 Like it's like either too muddy or it's like not quite cutting through the way the delay should and you lose the delay. 22:18 And like a reverb I have behind it, which is something I'm always like keenly aware of. Like why did I turn on delay when I already had a verb that was just immersive? 22:26 And now it's like you don't hear anything. But I think that that's, yeah, you do a lot of the groundwork. 22:33 I mean, frankly, I feel like very infrequently do I have like a major tweak to a preset you send me. It's like, hey, I think that this model is like maybe slightly off, like let's just try either this 22:44 or that or add decay or something like that. But the groundwork you put into it does make it easy to as a jumping off point to be creative 22:52 without like, like I know for example, one that I use frequently that you created, which was the Tonal recall, the Chase Bliss Tonal recall, which was a pedal that I had for a long time and really 23:04 liked. Sold it because I was like, I don't use it nearly enough. 23:07 And I think, I think I Oh no, I traded it for a synthesizer. That's for the electron Digitech. 23:15 And I then I was like, oh man, I kind of missed that pedal and you're like, oh just use the LVX preset I made for it, mess with it. 23:21 And that one I, I made like 1 tweak to this, the filter and it sounds so good. It gives you that feeling of that kind of runaway analog delay sound the that pedal gives you. 23:33 Yeah. So hey, did we ever release those tonal recall patches to the general public? 23:45 As I'm saying this out loud, you know what, here's what we'll say. I'm going to, I'm going to do a fun thing this week just because it's, it's Saint Patrick's Day when 23:53 we're recording this and I'm Irish, so. You are, and I'm wearing green. 23:57 If we haven't, why don't we just add them as a link? You can download those two on the end of this episode. 24:03 Yeah, yeah. Well, I think the what what here? 24:07 Let's make it a little bit easier for for me, because it's a dude like that. It's just like everyone goes to Google Drive, but I'll throw them up on Patreon as a free download. 24:17 Yeah. Sure. 24:19 So everybody who is signed up on Patreon even like as a free pay, as a free person because you don't have, you don't have. 24:24 Those tonal recall ones. There's two tonal recall ones. 24:28 I'm going to throw them up. Call it the Luck of the Irish preset. 24:31 Luck of the Irish preset pack. All right, there we go. 24:35 There we go. We just live time. 24:37 I just had this idea. We're doing it. 24:38 It's. Beautiful, beautiful. 24:41 Cool. Yeah, No, that, that is a really cool one. 24:45 That's I'll. I'll do it if you don't want to. 24:48 No, it's. Fine, but no, that that is so well, I think that was helpful. 24:53 I mean, I've asked you even sometimes because I'm still I mean, I'm a year into the LVX and I'm only a few months into the Mercury X and I've barely touched the Enzo X. 25:05 But I always, I mean, I rely on you often for I know how to build presets now, but I'm like, I want to get this, where do I want to go? 25:13 Like what module do I want to fit? And I think the way you just sort of broke down how you interact with each one. 25:20 And also I think something that's important you mentioned and there's like you kind of Bob Ross with your happy accidents along the way when you're trying to emulate something and then you find 25:28 something beautiful. I think that I have to remind myself. 25:32 So I'll just say it for other other guitar players like me is like part of playing music. It's, you know, it's expression, it's creativity, but having fun is part of it. 25:41 So if you're trying to do something and you find something else that works, don't shy away from that. 25:45 Lean into the thing that sounds cool and play with it and noodle on it. Well, the nice thing about these pedals like the X series, but I'll also say it's the same with the 25:54 Striemann big boxes, the timeline, the Big Sky. Same with like anything with menus and save ability with presets is that you know you're you can get 26:04 to a happy accident, save it and keep going and find another happy accident. That's, I mean, that's often you said that. 26:11 I kind of chuckled because that's like happens to me so much when I'm trying to, I'm trying to do one thing and I end up where I'm like, man, this is like a pretty cool sound we got going here. 26:19 I kind of want to just vibe on this. And I was like, Oh yeah, let me just save it and then I can copy and use the same thing. 26:24 That for the base is what I was trying to get at, yeah. Which is something I can't do like I, I, I made the, you know, the the old blood noise BL13 video 26:33 and I found a couple settings that I really liked, but it's like I have to go back and watch the video to figure out where they where those knobs settings. 26:39 Are it's always the worst? Yeah, it is the worst with pedals that don't have presets because like I feel like, because so many 26:46 of my pedals. So I have two types of pedals on my board. 26:49 I have pedals that have presets for specific songs, which are like the Timeline, the Mercury X now, like they do exactly what I want them to do. 26:58 And then I have pedals like my Julianna Chorus. It is virtually set exactly the same way all the time. 27:06 I very rarely change it. I'll change like the tap tempo sometimes if I'm like I'm getting like a weird interaction or an out 27:11 of phase thing that I don't like. But for the most part, that pedal is set and forget. 27:16 Yeah, it's just sitting there with the same knobs, sitting the same way because I get the sound out of I want to get from it. 27:22 But you know, if I ever wanted to save presets, it's kind of annoying that that of the that's like the Walrus pedal that came out right before everything had. 27:30 Yeah, yeah. And they haven't made AI Guess a version 3 yet. 27:36 Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully guys. 27:39 Juliana or we said, I think we talked about this before the Juliana or since we have to. Use the Juliana or. 27:44 Yeah, yeah. OK. 27:49 So we talked about how building presets. I'm going to wrap up with a a question, got it. 27:55 That I saw on Reddit the other day because I liked it and it's one that I think is worth. I know we've I think we've in other episodes talked about this, but I like, let's try to come up 28:04 with one that's different. Got it. 28:06 Maybe. Is that like passive aggressively pointed towards me? 28:11 No, no, no, no, no, no, like, just like I, I don't, I, I half the time I don't even know what we say here. 28:15 So then I'm like, let's try to think of something different than what we might normally say. Got it. 28:19 But the question was, what's a popular pedal that you've tried and you absolutely hate? As the title states, which pedal do you get buying the most? 28:28 The user here says for me, I'll give there as they say it was the Little Rat and the Tumness Deluxe. Which is funny because I don't necessarily classify either of those as popular pedals. 28:36 In my opinion, I hate knobs. Well, rat and claw. 28:40 Shitty ass bevels you can't see at night but it sounds OK. Don't know why but I just couldn't die although I wanted to. 28:45 Long sword completely throws it out of the water. That I think means blows out of the water. 28:48 Which also if you're comparing the EAE long sword to a like I feel like this. You're not. 28:54 It's not. It's not fair fight. 28:55 Not once that I want to try the little rat again. They're not even the same type of pet. 28:59 What is hold on go back? What was shitty ass bevels? 29:01 What was this? About the little rat, I fucking hate the knobs. 29:06 Shitty ass bevels you can't see at night but it sounds OK. Don't know why but I just couldn't doubt that I wanted to long long so it completely throws out of 29:13 the water. Not once that I want to try the little rat again and then Blues breaker. 29:16 Greater than clans in my opinion. Something out of Blues breaker. 29:19 Just amazing. The mid bump is just not for me on the Tumnus Deluxe. 29:23 So a lot of colorful thoughts here and also confusing thoughts because like is the long sort of rat. I don't think I knew that if it is, but I also don't. 29:33 Either way, I like wouldn't compare the two. I'm checking it out. 29:37 I'm going to look. Think it's a rat? 29:39 Cascaded gain stages. I mean, it just doesn't sound like a rat to me so. 29:45 Well, I don't know. I. 29:48 Mean Anyhow, question, what's a popular pedal that you've tried and you absolutely hate? I'm just still stuck on that commenters. 30:00 They hate the knobs, like a lot. Yeah, yeah. 30:05 I was like, what is going on here? Oh my gosh. 30:08 Wow. OK. 30:10 I mean, I would have to say a a compressor that like at the orange squeeze or like that you know that the Dyna, the Dyna comp. 30:19 Oh, you don't like the dynacom? Or like the Dan Armstrong orange squeeze. 30:25 That type of compressors. You just don't like that style of compressor. 30:28 I don't, I don't. And I remember, I remember knowing what I wanted to, to, to get out of a compressor, but not 30:36 realizing it was specific to certain types of compressors. This is early on in my, in my, in my exploration before way before TPC and even not not that I know 30:47 what I'm doing now, but you know what I mean. Like I just thought if I get a compressor, I'll get X sound. 30:53 And I didn't realize, I didn't realize how much of my tone was, was not just pedals, right? Like how the sound I wanted was mainly a telly into a Vox AC-30 with blue backs, like how that was 31:09 crucial to the sound that I wanted. But no, I just thought that if I I would get that bell like chime and sustain a compressor and you 31:18 can't. That that makes sense to me, though I would think that too. 31:20 So so I plug this thing in and I'm like, this is shit. I don't like this at all. 31:23 This is gross. Yeah, I I feel like that that that exact thing you just said leads into something I want to talk 31:31 about not this week, but next week. But like when you your preconceived notion of what a pedal is going to do and then you like plug it 31:36 in, you're like, wait, this doesn't do it all When I thought it would do it. That I think that's a big part of this actual question of what's a popular pedal you tried and hate 31:43 is like maybe you hear someone like their playing style exemplifies the pedal or their exact guitar and amp combo is like just not the one you have. 31:53 There's so many factors for me the answer to this. I thought about it and there's a lot of pedals I haven't liked that other people like. 32:04 I know most recently one that was like Buzzy was I really didn't like the Chase Bliss lossy as much as I thought I would. 32:11 But my classical question to this one that's like like a long time. Topic. 32:16 That's not a classic. Pedal yeah, and it's also not like I don't think that it's like niche popular. 32:21 It's like Instagram popular. The full tone OCDI have tried so many versions of that too, because like the first one I got was 32:30 like, I want to say a version 1.4, probably the one I tried and returned initially. But then like I, I was willing to be open minded, be like, Oh well, there's different versions. 32:40 They have different things going on with it. Like maybe I just didn't have a good one. 32:43 So I've tried and I've tried quite a few. I've tried clones of that pedal. 32:46 There's it just I can never make it sound. It sounds spitty and fizzy no matter what I do with it, no matter how I said it and other people 32:54 when they plug it in, it's like this like creamy smooth, like they make it sound great. They sit it sit it in their rig and this has awesome and I plug it in. 33:02 It just sounds like fizzy and spitty and I like. Don't you? 33:04 Can't make it work. For me, do you did OK, so when I I finally let you borrow the Keely Blues disorder germanium. 33:14 Yes. Did you try the OCD settings on that? 33:19 Which ones were they? I tried them all. 33:22 I don't remember, I think they were switched down. Switched down I. 33:28 Think I mean if you tried all the if you tried all the. Yeah, I tried. 33:30 I tried it. Then that means, yeah, it means I tried them. 33:34 I don't remember disliking them, but also maybe that's just the germanium circuit. Sounds well I was going to say the germanium like softens it up a bit. 33:40 I have not tried the GEOCD. There's they make they make a germanium OCD full tone does. 33:46 I yeah, Didn't I get offered that in a trade If you we debated getting it a few months ago, I think so it was like a black germanium one. 33:52 It's it looked really cool. But I had maybe they make a blackout. 33:55 I know it's blue. I don't know. 33:56 I just remember like being like mildly interested, but then the hesitation about the fact that I've just never been able to make them work right. 34:05 So I didn't do that trade, whatever that trade was, but. So there we go, that orange squeeze and the OCD. 34:12 Yes, Yeah, I think those are ones. I think those are good. 34:15 Both answers. Good, good answers, Good. 34:17 Both answers, good, both answers. Yeah. 34:18 You can tell that like I am coming off of like a weekend getaway where my brain is not in gear at all. 34:23 So we'll just let that. We'll let that go. 34:25 That's OK. I won't call it out. 34:28 Cool. Well, thank you all for listening to another episode of us talking about things. 34:35 Alan, I do appreciate you on the spot doing a like interview style about how you build, how you build presets. 34:39 You've been through a very aptly I think, for not having any pre preamble or preparation time. Well, you're quite welcome, Sir. 34:48 And I would say if anybody has questions about any of these things, any specific presets, I mean, by all means, hit us up. 34:55 You can comment here on the podcast. You can jump over to any of the socials, the Facebook, the Instagram, the YouTube. 35:02 Yeah, I like saying the word the OR the in front of them. Yeah, I know. 35:06 Shut up, shut up, shut up. So you can actually throw comments in there. 35:09 You can also e-mail us at hello at the pedal collaborative.com and ask us questions. But if you're really cool, if you're really cool, you're a part of the core collaborators on Patreon 35:19 because you have a special texting. Number. 35:21 Yeah, you can text us and we'll answer. What we will answer? 35:25 You'll hear things from us. We'll we'll make little videos for you if you have questions on that tier. 35:30 That's the tier. 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